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A RESPONSE BY THE HARE KRSNA SOCIETY AGAINST THE FALSE STORIES PROPAGATED ON THE

INTERNET AGAINST MANY SINCERE AND DEDICATED PRABHUPANUGA DEVOTEES

After the recent flurry of offenses cast by certain “devotees” against Yasoda nandan, Puranjana, Krsnacandra, and many others aligned with the Prabhupadanugas , I felt, while I was taking lunch prasadam today, that a short, but specific letter was in order to try and help those who seem to relish finding fault– where there is no fault.

Basically the problem, if you want to call it that, is this– some people who like to think of themselves as Vaisnavas, but who are far from that standard, continually thru the internet spread malicious lies about the above devotees. They think for some twisted reasons that one Srila Prabhupada disciple named Tattva Darshan who successfully founded and maintains the Bhaktivedanta Eco Village (BEV) in Karnataka India over 20 years ago- is a child molester. And they further think that the above named other devotees are of the same mentality since they and myself are giving him (Tattva) spiritual backing in his attempt to reform and continue to render service to Srila Prabhupada.

For those of you who love to hear this kind of smut, I will tell you the real story.

WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED– In Cambodia everyone knows there is a lively sex trade going on.

Tattva darshan (from BEV) used to go there and other places to collect money for his project back in India. (He personally told me that he has spent around a million collected dollars thru very hard work on this Varnashram project)

Somehow or other, he got involved in some sexual affair with a young woman, not a child mind you, and was caught in a sting operation by the local police. He went to jail for around two years and was eventually released. There never was any child sex going on, as was falsely reported by some agencies, it was simply a sexually agitated man who wanted some sex while he was far away from home. He is not a guru,or a sannyasi or anybody posing to be some renunciate. He is a very hard working married man with a wonderful family and a very understanding wife.

That is what happened. However these certain “devotees” seem to think that Tattva Darshan was some kind of pervert looking only for small girls for sex. This is totally wrong and false. The Hare Krsna Society let me say here, does not condone this kind of activity but when it does happen (regular prostitution amongst adults) then devotees who are mature should see if as it is. A temporary falldown which should be excused-especially in light of all the tremendous devotional work Tattva darshan has done in a very difficult country, foreign to natural birth.

At this point let me ask our readers this-

Have you ever committed any sinful acts? NO?

Then you shouldn’t even be reading this.

If you have done any sinful things, then you should understand and know that if God Himself forgives you for such things, then why would or could any ordinary mortal find fault with you? The answer is simply– envy.That’s all. (See full philosophical explanation by Visvanatha Chakravarti at the end)

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What is the Hare Krishna Society?

In the early days of Srila Prabhupada’s mission in the West, some ISKCON leaders wanted to install teletype machines in all the temples, but Srila Prabhupada did not approve of the idea. He expressed concern that his neophyte students would use the machines for politics and gossip and thus waste time.

”…The installing of telex communications for our main temples is not required. Then they will gossip more through the telex….” Srila Prabhupada letter, February 5, 1977

Today it is practically seen that many ignorant persons posing as preachers hide behind their computer screens and spread unfounded allegations against devotees or try to raise doubts about the activities and purposes of bona fide sangas of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples. Those with a political agenda, and other ignorant or malicious persons, sometimes spread false allegations about Srila Prabhupada’s faithful disciples and thus commit the offense know as sadhu-ninda. Sadhu-ninda can quickly ruin one’s forward progress in devotional service. By hearing malicious rumors about disciples of Srila Prabhupada and by accepting and tolerating such nonsense without challenge or protest, internet surfers and sufferers may disrupt their forward progress on the path of bhakti-yoga.

“…Anyone who is a bona fide preacher of the cult of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu must be respectful to the real devotees of Lord Caitanya; one should not be envious, considering one preacher to be very great and another to be very lowly. This is a material distinction and has no place on the platform of spiritual activities…”

Sri Caitanya-caritamrta – 1975 Edition Adi 10.7 :

“… If a Vaiṣṇava, by the mercy of the Lord, is empowered by Him to distribute the Lord’s holy name all over the world, other Vaiṣṇavas become very joyful-that is, if they are truly Vaiṣṇavas. One who is envious of the success of a Vaiṣṇava is certainly not a Vaiṣṇava himself, but an ordinary mundane man. Envy and jealousy are manifested by mundane people, not by Vaiṣṇavas. Why should a Vaiṣṇava be envious of another Vaiṣṇava who is successful in spreading the holy name of the Lord? An actual Vaiṣṇava is very pleased to accept another Vaiṣṇava who is bestowing the Lord’s mercy. A mundane person in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava should not be respected but rejected. This is enjoined in the śāstra (upekṣā). The word upekṣā means neglect. One should neglect an envious person. A preacher’s duty is to love the Supreme Personality of Godhead, make friendships with Vaiṣṇavas, show mercy to the innocent and reject or neglect those who are envious or jealous. There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaiṣṇavas in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. There is no need to serve a jealous person who is in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava. When Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says chāḍiyā vaiṣṇava sevā nistāra payeche kebā, he is indicating an actual Vaiṣṇava, not an envious or jealous person in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava…”

Sri Caitanya-caritamrta – Madhya-lila 1.218

Over the years, a few antagonistic persons have tried to malign the Hare Krishna Society for ridiculous and selfish reasons. Some persons have apparently felt slighted by HKS because of our strict policy to ignore the various vitiated “iskcon” groups, the various members associated with these groups, senior devotees who are still confused about Srila Prabhupada’s instructions, and other misguided persons associated with various other groups, such as branches of the former Gaudiya matha. (See references below.)

We also tend to avoid persons who are obsessed with the idea of trying to reform corporate iskcon’s clerics. We also avoid those who want to advertise and exaggerate the alleged faults of specific devotees, particularly those who are unpretentious preachers who know the siddhanta. Because we refrain from involvement in drawn out, rambling discussions on the internet with persons who are misguided or antagonistic, some devotees feel slighted. (See references below.) We feel the best way to deal with various misguided persons is to teach the truth about Srila Prabhupada and His instructions. If we attack something, we attack the sin and the sinful idea rather than all the individual sinners. We generally avoid discussing individuals—unless we are forced to do so. We have enough to do to explain the fundamentals of Krishna consciousness to innocent devotees who have been misled by bogus preachers.

“…If one hears the activities of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu with this faith, he can be freed from his envious position. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is meant for such nonenvious persons (nirmatsarāṇāṁ satām)….”

Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya-lila 9.362 :

Our positive agenda is to preach the glories of Lord Caitanya, Srila Prabhupada and the bona fide parampara. In the course of preaching correctly about the mission and teachings of the Krishna consciousness movement all opposing elements are defeated naturally. It is not HKS policy to attack and expose individual leaders for their sinful secret lives and extravagance. This is not practical. Nor is it advised in shastra to chase after and try to reform unrepentant deviants. We naturally expose obvious deviations in siddhanta and sadhana by preaching the truth. (See references below.)

HKS generally avoids direct confrontation with the fallen branches of iskcon. Some persons criticize us for 1) not attacking iskcon, 2) attacking iskcon, 3) not being under a gbc, 4) not supporting devotees who attack iskcon leaders, 5) supporting those who attack Iskcon leaders, 6) creating an organization separate from iskcon, and so on. (See references.)

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740502mw.bom Conversations

Prabhupada: Yes. When Krsna… Therefore we shall fully surrender to Krsna. As Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, marobi rakhobi yo iccha tohara: “Now I surrender. Now if you want to maintain me, that is all right, and if You want to kill me, that is also all right.” This is surrender. It is not business, “If You maintain me, then I surrender. If You kill me, then I do not.” It is not like that. Marobi rakhobi yo iccha tanhara. “As You like. If You want to maintain, that is also good; if You want to kill, that is also good.” This is devotee’s view. Satsvarupa: Someone might say, “But if one is surrendered why should Krsna give him trouble?” Prabhupada: Yes, it is because he is always free. Why do you make Krsna dependent on your so-called good-will, that “Krsna must give me always pleasure”? This is sense gratification. This is sense gratification that you approach Krsna for your comfort, sense gratification. That is not bhakti. That is sense gratification. Prahlada Maharaja was given suffering by his father so harshly, but he never said, “Oh, I am devotee and Krsna giving me so much trouble? Oh! Give it up.” He never said that. Neither he asked Krsna to come and save him. That is Krsna-bhakti. The Pandavas. The Pandavas, they were always with Krsna and they were suffering. They never asked Krsna that “You are the Supreme, and why we are suffering?” Never said. Never said. That is Krsna-bhakti.

Giriraja: “Because You are the Absolute Truth, there is no difference between Your mercy and punishment.”

Prabhupada: Yes. This is to be understood. If we understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Absolute Truth, then this is understanding, that either suffering or enjoying, it is all Krsna’s mercy. There must be some purpose. When Krsna puts me into suffering, there must be some purpose. So we should welcome because it is Krsna’s mercy. Tat te ‘nukampam susumiksamano bhunjana evatma-krtam vipakam. (Hindi) (break) “…misdeeds. It is Krsna’s mercy that He is reforming me, slightly suffering. I would have suffered very greatly on account of my past deeds, but He is kindly accommodating me by giving little suffering. That’s all.”

A rags to riches story-and then some

A jobless man applied for the position of ‘office boy’ at Microsoft. The HR manager interviewed him then watched him cleaning the floor as a test. ‘You are employed’ he said. Give me your e-mail address and I’ll send you the application to fill in, as well as date when you may start.
The man replied ‘But I don’t have a computer, neither an email’. ‘I’m sorry’, said the HR manager. If you don’t have an email that means you don’t exist. And who doesn’t exist, can’t have the job.’
The man left with no hope at all. He didn’t know what to do, with only $10 in his pocket. He then decided to go to the supermarket and buy a 10Kg tomato crate.
He then sold the tomatoes in a door to door round. In less than two hours, he succeeded to double his capital. He repeated the operation three times, and returned home with $60.
The man realized that he can survive by this way, and started to go every day earlier, and return late. Thus, his money doubled or tripled every day. Shortly, he bought a cart, then a truck, and then he had his own fleet of delivery vehicles.
5 years later, the man is one of the biggest food retailers in the US. He started to plan his family’s future, and decided to have a life insurance.
He called an insurance broker, and chose a protection plan.
When the conversation was concluded the broker asked him his email. The man replied, ‘I don’t have an email.’
The broker answered curiously, ‘You don’t have an email, and yet have succeeded to build an empire. Can you imagine what you could have been If you had an e mail?!!’ The man thought for a while and replied, ‘Yes, I’d be an office boy at Microsoft!’

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Although this story is fictitious, it illustrates a good point. That point is that if one learns how to

“think out of the box” as the karmis say, then a whole new world unfolds for us. If we take the same old path trodden by the majority of work people of this world, then we will most probably have our 9-5 job, possibly some security, and more remotely, even some retirement benefits-maybe, although in todays financial world, none of these things are 100% for sure.

On the other hand, if we are learning some things from the great world Acarya Srila Prabhupada, then he will inform us that taking the road traveled by millions isnt necessarily the best one, the safest one, or the one sanctioned by Lord Krsna Himself. Srila Prabhupada is trying to get us all to start becoming more “independent” in our thinking and living patterns. And we all know to break old habits is almost impossible to do. But break them we can do, if we submissively hear the words of the Lords representative.

Let’s hear what he has to say-

1. Hari-sauri: Should we try to make an effort to have our householders go and live on the farms, a special effort? If it’s ready to do that? Prabhupada: Why householders? Everyone.

2…” Indian people are little clever. They would come from the village to the city alone, not with family. They earn money and send to the family. And whenever they like, they go away. They’re not dependent. And if you bring family, you have to work. That system is still going on. The village men, they come but they do not bring their family. Family remains in the village. He earns, he lives some way or other and sends money there, and the wife who is intelligent. He (she) accumulates the money and when there is enough money he (she) purchases land,investment. So… In after few years, when they have got enough land, they do not come back. They produce their own necessities. Very nice. Hare Krsna. As soon as they are self-sufficient from the land they no more work. That’s a good idea. Remain in the village with family…

3… 750514mw.per Conversations Prabhupada: The solution is there. They won’t take it. Solution is there, that everyone produce your own food. There is so much land; utilize it. The solution is there. No. They want to sit down on the table, chair, in a very nice compartment, and making solution.

Amogha: He was saying that your solution was too simple. He said that people will not accept it because it is too simple.

Prabhupada:That is his ignorance. They will say it is primitive.That is the only solution.

4..Simple living and high thinking is the solution to economic problems. Therefore the Krsna consciousness movement in engaging devotees in producing their own food and living self-sufficiently so that rascals may see how one can live very peacefully, eat the food grains one has grown oneself, drink milk, and chant Hare Krsna.

5..Therefore I am asking so much here and…, “Farm, farm, farm, farm…” That is not my program–Krsna’s program. Annad bhavanti bhutani. Produce greenness everywhere, everywhere. Vrndavana. It is not this motorcar civilization.

6..This is our education. Don’t be after these motorcars, television, and all nonsense things, sporting, wine, women. Don’t be after these.Simply eat sufficiently, keep your health nicely, chant Hare Krsna,

realize Krsna, and go back to home This is our philosophy

7.. A little labor in agriculture will be sufficient to produce the family’s food stock for the whole year. You can stock. You work only three months, and you get sufficient food for your whole family. And less nine months, you chant Hare Krsna. But these rascals will not do that. They will work hard like ass simply for eating.

8..We want two favours. One from guru, one from Krsna.That’s all. We don’t want anyone’s favour.————————————————————————————————————————————————-

Below is some spring pictures right now of the garden fields and basically getting it all ready

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Jaya Srila Prabhupada

Na Jayate Mriyate va kadacin—For the soul, there is never birth nor death, Nor having once been does he ever cease to be. (Bhagavad Gita 2.20)

Self realization means to be able to see the soul. I look at you and see your body, you look at me and see my body. This is not self realization.

Aham brahmasmi means I am soul, not this body. ..”Dehino’ smin yatha dehi… Deha and dehi means this body and the owner of this body. When we are able too see the soul we are on the brahma bhuta platform. This is self realization.

If we want to be free of this material bondage and see ourselves as we are, then we must purify our self of all the upadhis or material designations.

Prabhupada writes…”Krishna consciousness is actually a purificatory process. Its purpose is to make people free from all designations. When our consciousness becomes purified of all designations, the activities we carry out with our purified senses make us perfect. Eventually, we reach the ideal perfection of human life. Krishna consciousness is also a very simple process. It is not necessary to become a great philosopher, scientist, or whatever. We need only chant the holy name of the Lord, understanding that His personality, His name, and His qualities are all absolute.”
Most everyone thinks that if he or she gets a nice birth in a nice family, has good looks, education and some wealth, then all this has been Divinely bestowed upon him by God. But from the spiritual perspective all these things are no more than gifts of the illusory energy, Maya. These things keep us trapped in the bodily conception of life. We see that is true when we hear the story of Nalakuvera and Manigriva, the sons of Kuvera. They were both devas or demigods, and they were devotees of some sort of the Supreme Lord, but because of the easy life their material benedictions gave them, they condemned themselves to a life of debauchery. They misused their material assets which is quite natural for one in that position.This is what naturally happens for most if one takes to the field of material piety instead of trying to purify the heart, thru bhakti yoga, of all the (unwanted) anarthas present.

Prabhupada gives an example-when we are sitting comfortably in our easy chair, we have the remote in one hand, our cell phone in the other, some chips and fizz nearby , and we think , now I am comfortable!

But then somebody comes along and tells us NO, you have to come with me. You MUST come with me dragging you off, and then your comfortable position is now ruined. This is called Death. Nobody wants it, but it has to come to us all. Yet how many of us are ready for this? How many of us are ready to get ripped out of our comfortable situation and not even complain about it? Only one who knows without any doubting that he or she is not this material body.

He gave another nice example-once while on a train ride somewhere in India, a few others were fighting over their train seat. He mentioned that even though they know they will only be there a couple of hours, they are taking that seat as some permanent arrangement and that is why it is worth fighting over. And we as kids, also had a similar situation while traveling with parents in the family car. We would all fight over who got the window seat !.

So how is this child like fighting different than what we do as adults on a daily basis fighting with others over some meager material gains? Like the childs game of musical chairs whereby a group of kids will circle a row of chairs which are one short of the number of participating kids. When the music stops, everyone has to grab a chair. One kid is always out of a chair ! This is how material life works. Its always a struggle for everything. Nothing in this material world comes without some sort of struggle-either with others or with our own limitations to accomplish something.

Self realization means this material struggle for things related to this body is over- because we realize without any doubt, that we are not matter, not this body, not connected to any so called material family or race, do not belong to some country and in fact have absolutely nothing to do with this material world. Unfortunately for most of us we think we are free to do what we like, but at any moment, if the Devas disagree, we could lose motion in our arms hands or legs and become paralyzed. Yet we all will say, this is MY body. If its our body then why cant we make it do what WE want it to do?

This conditional life always will be a source of problems to us. In this verse from BG it says we are never born and we never die, so if we are eternal and believe it, why do we then bother so much- with the temporary? BG says we dont take birth, yet all of us will say we were born on such and such a date, and if we consult astrologers, they say we will die at such and such time as well. This is body consciousness only- because according to BG we dont take birth and we do not die.

So the next question would be, then if we were originally with Krsna in the spiritual world, how did we get ourselves into this present predicament? How did we become so fallen?

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The Vijayanagar Empire

In my first article on Kishkindya Kshetra I mentioned that this area was the former center of the famous Vijayanagar Empire, which historians believe was the most opulent empire on Earth in the last three thousand years. The whole empire suddenly declined, shortly after the disappearance of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and was sacked by a conspiracy of three other kings around 1565 AD. Mysteriously, no other kingdom, city or town every reemerged at Hampi, its capital. This empire reached its zenith during the times of Lord Caitanya, under the leadership of the renowned Vaisnava emperor, Krishna Deva Raya, who is adored in the region to this day. Interestingly, he was born and departed this world around the same dates as Lord Caitanya. He was the son-in-law and ally of Lord Caitanya’s great devotee Maharaja Prataparudra.

This powerful empire based at Hampi helped make the whole of South India a safe place for pilgrims. Had this not been the case, Lord Caitanya’s confidential associates might have found it even more difficult, or nearly impossible, to allow Him to leave on His long tour of South India with only one servant. Lord Caitanya had preferred to go alone, but His devotees, specifically Lord Nityananda, begged Him that if He was unwilling to go with a party of Vaisnavas, He should at least take one brahmacari servant who could assist Him without breaking His mood of manifesting full ecstatic symptoms of nama-sankirtana all over South India.

Most western people come to Hampi to tour the ruins of the Vijayanagar Empire or view the amazing scenery, but many Indians come here with the understanding that this unique tirtha on the banks of Tungabhadra Nadi is highly sacred. I have met Christian and Muslim pilgrims here who also appreciate the powerful sanctity of the Hampi area and visit regularly.

Lord Caitanya Visits Kishkindya

Srila Krsnadas Kaviraja Goswami

mentions in Sri Caitanya-caritamrita that Lord Caitanya did not manifest His spiritual potencies in Navadvipa Dhama but waited until he went to South India. In this connection Srila Prabhupada cites Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura saying there are three principle dhamas of Gauidiya Vaisnavas: Vrindavan, Navadvipa and Jagganath Puri, or South India. The whole of South India is considered the third principle dhama of Gaudiya Vaisnavas, along with Jagganath Puri itself.

“Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu did not manifest His spiritual potencies at Navadvipa, but He did manifest them in South India and liberated all the people there.”

(Cc. Madhya 7.109)

Lord Caitanya visited Kishkindya and bathed at Pampa Sarovar, where there is an ancient temple of Sri Lakshmi Devi and a large temple tank with granite steps all around. The pond is crystal clear and overgrown with lotuses. Not much detailed information about Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s visit here is found in Gaudiya Vaisnava literature, but the Kishkindya-vasis and local sadhus say He used to chant japa under a large mango tree at Pampa Sarovar. This tree survived until recently when some electrical workers mistakenly cut it down. Many of the local residents are the descendants of the great souls who were liberated when Lord Caitanya toured South India and visited Kiskindya Kshetra, where He manifested His full spiritual potencies through hari-nama sankirtana. To this day the fortunate people of Kishkindya spontaneously chant the holy names of Hare Rama and Hare Krishna.

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The Iskcon GBC philosophy on guru-tattva and initiations has evolved over the years. In the late 1970s and early 80s, they conceded, due to the insistence of a few leading members, that eleven individuals had been appointed and empowered by Srila Prabhupada to act as zonal acharyas in Iskcon. The GBC conceded that these eleven could create their own authority structure called “The Acharya Board”. The GBC agreed that only these eleven could be initiating spiritual masters in Iskcon and, in the future, only they could appoint other spiritual masters, or diksa-gurus, from among their disciples or Godbrother followers.

In the latter part of the 1980s, after few of the “chosen eleven” fell down and went insane, these contentions were overturned under mounting pressure from a so-called guru reform movement. GBC reformists decided that these eleven “Iskcon acharyas” could no longer be zonal autocrats above the authority of the GBC. The GBC resolved that only a majority vote of the GBC body would have authority to sanction and regulate initiating spiritual masters in Iskcon. They resolved that any devotee sanctioned by the GBC could initiate his own disciples in Srila Prabhupada’s mission, and they recommended that “diksa-gurus” no longer accept elaborate public worship in Iskcon temples and titles and prayers meant for maha-bhagavatas. They thus tried to reduce the power and ritual status of “Iskcon acharyas” while opening the door for all senior preachers “in good standing” to covet the post of “Iskcon guru”. In this way the GBC quelled the “guru reform movement” within Iskcon.

GBC resolutions regarding initiations and guru-tattva have been inconsistent and contradictory. It is hard to find two “Iskcon gurus”, GBC members, or Iskcon devotees with the exact same views on these topics. New devotees often doubt whether the praises they sing to the spiritual master at mangala-arotika and guru-puja should be directed toward their so-called Iskcon guru or to Srila Prabhupada. Should they hear primarily from Srila Prabhupada, or more from their “living guru”? Should they offer prayers and worship to a picture of their “guru” on the altar before doing Deity worship or offering food? If so, would he even know? Are all prayers to the spiritual master just ritualistic hyperbole that can be applied to any so-called Iskcon (or gaudiya math) “guru”?

Below is summary of the stance of the GBC today and in the recent past, with samples of their clearly implied philosophical ideas that are against the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. Immediately after each GBC idea, we have provided the correct understanding of guru-tattva and diksa according the Srila Prabhupada’s books, conversations, letters, and classes. Authorized references are cited at the end. Throughout Srila Prabhupada’s books there are many dozens of references similar to the few cited below.

GBC: The spiritual master may be a self-made guru who is nominated by his peers or followers and sanctioned by the GBC, an ecclesiastical board. There is no need for a direct, specific order from Srila Prabhupada to become a diksa-guru in Iskcon.

Srila Prabhupada’s siddhanta: “A guru can become guru when he is ordered by his guru. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.” (See below references 1, 2 and 10.)

GBC: Srila Prabhupada authorized the GBC to sanction and dismiss diksa-gurus in ISKCON.

SPS: “Mundane votes have no jurisdiction the elect a Vaisnava acharya. A Vaisnava acharya is self-effulgent, and there is no need of any court judgment.“ Prabhupada authorized the GBC to select (or dismiss) representatives (ritviks), who initiate on His behalf. No one can be guru without the direct order of Krishna or His perfect devotee. (See below references 1, 2, 10 and 15.)

GBC: Lord Caitanya gave a blanket order for every devotee to initiate his own disciples.

SPS: Lord Caitanya ordered His followers to become “gurus” by asking everyone they meet to chant Hare Krishna. He never ordered all devotees to initiate their own disciples. Even Lord Caitanya’s eternal associates, like Sri Gadadhara Pandita, refused to initiate disciples without a direct order from Lord Caitanya. Many great devotees never initiated their own disciples. (References 2 and 3.)

GBC: Persons who are not self-realized souls or topmost Vaisnavas can be diksa-gurus if the GBC approves.

SPS: “Only a topmost devotee, a maha-bhagavata, is eligible to occupy the post of guru.” (See below reference 4.)

GBC: Spiritual masters must be sanctioned, overseen, regulated and, if necessary, disciplined by the GBC.

SPS: The genuine spiritual master is never to be regulated or disciplined by ecclesiastical boards. (See below reference 5.)

GBC: A spiritual master may sometimes fall down and become demoniac.

SPS: “There is no possibility that a first-class devotee will fall down…” — “The bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession since time immemorial.” (See below references 6 and 18.)

GBC: One may ignore, neglect, or reject his spiritual master who falls from grace with the GBC.

SPS: A genuine disciple never rejects his spiritual master. (See reference 7.)

GBC: A student of Krishna consciousness may select any spiritual master, according his or her personal tastes and the ecclesiastical conventions current in Iskcon.

SPS: “Srila Jiva Goswami advised that one not accept a spiritual master in terms of hereditary or customary social and ecclesiastical conventions. One should simply try to find a genuinely qualified spiritual master for actual advancement in spiritual understanding.” (See below reference 8.)

GBC: There are dozens of gurus in Iskcon and each is entitled to his or her own ideas and opinions.

SPS: “Guru is one. He has no independent ideas or opinions.” (See reference 9.)

GBC: Iskcon gurus who have fallen down, if rectified, may be reinstated by the GBC.

SPS: “A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord.” (See below reference 10.)

GBC: There are various levels of spiritual masters, or diksa-gurus, and not all are uttama-adhikaris.

SPS: “The spiritual master is always considered either one of the confidential associates of Radharani or a manifested representation of Sri Nityananda.” Only such a Vaisnava can impart transcendental knowledge into the heart of a disciple. (See below references 4, 7 and 11.)

GBC: The bona fide spiritual master dies, like all mortal men, and thus becomes useless in the matter of initiating and guiding students of Krishna consciousness.

SPS: “The spiritual master is eternal…” — “He lives forever through his divine instructions, and his follower lives with him.” — “He reasons ill who tells that Vaisnavas die!” (See reference 12.)

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Hare Krsna Prabhus

Obeisances

All glories to Srila Prabhupada

And a good morning to you all–

just finished inspecting the “fields”, chanting for a while, serving

the Silas, send out some mail then will read SB for class-

this is the life and I dont know why more dont take to it. Actually yesterday some fellow, who works over in Oak Harbor for the Navy stopped by, heard about us from somewhere, and he remarked after looking over the fields of green along with the mtns, said this place is really beautiful ! I think he was transcendentally stunned by everything he saw here.

So he said he will attend the program this coming Saturday here. He has been to India and finds it very

attractive-.

see you all Saturday for some chanting dancing and feasting.

Hari bol

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Prabhupada: This means these things, these sentiments–anxiety, grief, anger, all these things–they are constant companion with the living entity. You cannot give it up. But when they are used for Krsna, that is perfection. That is upadhi-sunya, without any designation. Satsvarupa: Prabhupada, we are only neophytes. How we can know if our anxiety is still material when we feel anxiety in devotional service? Prabhupada: No, no. If you feel anxiety for Krsna, then it is not material. That anxiety is not… That is love. That is pure love, that… Why you become anxious for our children? Because there is love. So whole scheme is that you have to transfer your attachment to Krsna. Dr. Patel: All bhakti should be directed to the sacred feet of Krsna. Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Mayy asakta-manah partha yogam yunjan. This is called bhakti-yoga. Mayy asakta. The asakti, the attachment, is for so many things. Now we have to concentrate it on Krsna. This is bhakti-yoga. Mayy asakta manah partha yogam yunjan mad-asrayah. Simply by this concentration of an attraction to Krsna, you become liberated. This is the process. Dr. Patel: First you must perfect your thinking of Krsna. Prabhupada: Yes. When you think of Krsna, you are on the transcendental position. You are not in the material world. Mam ca vyabhicarini bhakti-yogena yah sevate, sa gunan samatitya etan. He is immediately transcendental to all the qualities of material world. Dr. Patel: Then he becomes brahma-bhuta. Prabhupada: Yes. So if continuously…

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Prabhupada: (break) …social divisions. Catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah. The other varnas, they would give simply to the brahmanas charity. And the brahmanas were so advanced that simply by their blessing, they will get all benefit. So there must be a class of men who can actually benefit simply by blessing and the society must maintain them. This is real society. And everyone is sudra, engaged in technology–then what benefit you will get? Kalau sudra-sambhavah. There must be a brahminical class, a ksatriya class, a vaisya class, a sudra class. Not that all sudras. Then what will be going on? That is the condition. Everyone is being educated as sudra. Then what benefit you will get? That is the defect. Hare Krsna. (break) Therefore there must be a brahminical class.

SB 10.7.13-15 P The blessings of brahmanas who are not envious, disturbed or puffed up with pride and false prestige and who are fully qualified with truthfulness will be useful. Therefore a class of men must be trained as brahmanas from the very beginning. Brahmacari guru-kule vasan danto guror hitam (▼Bhag. 7.12.1). The word dantah is very important. Dantah refers to one who is not envious, disturbing or puffed up with false prestige. With the Krsna consciousness movement, we are trying to introduce such brahmanas in society. Brahmanas must ultimately be Vaisnavas, and if one is a Vaisnava, he has already acquired the qualifications of a brahmana. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma (▼Bg. 18.54). The word brahma-bhuta refers to becoming a brahmana, or understanding what is Brahman (brahma janatiti brahmanah). One who is brahma-bhuta is always happy (prasannatma). Na socati na kanksati: he is never disturbed about material necessities. Samah sarvesu bhutesu: he is ready to bestow blessings upon everyone equally. Mad-bhaktim labhate param: then he becomes a Vaisnava. In this age, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura introduced the sacred thread ceremony for his Vaisnava disciples, with the idea that people should understand that when one becomes a Vaisnava he has already acquired the qualifications of a brahmana. Therefore in the International Society for Krishna

Consciousness, those who are twice initiated so as to become brahmanas must bear in mind their great responsibility to be truthful, control the mind and senses, be tolerant, and so on. Then their life will be successful. It was such brahmanas that Nanda Maharaja invited to chant the Vedic hymns, not ordinary brahmanas. Verse thirteen distinctly mentions himsa-mana. The word mana refers to false prestige or false pride. Those who were falsely proud, thinking that they were brahmanas because they were born in brahmana families, were never invited by Nanda Maharaja on such occasions.

SB 7.7.17 P In this verse the word bhuyat may be understood to mean “let there be.” Prahlada Maharaja offers his blessings to his class friends, saying, “Also become faithful like me. Become bona fide Vaisnavas.” A devotee of the Lord desires for everyone to take to Krsna consciousness. Unfortunately, however, people sometimes do not have staunch faith in the words of the spiritual master who comes by the disciplic succession, and therefore they are unable to understand transcendental knowledge.

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Hare Krsna to all

Pranams

All glories to Prabhupada

Below is some photos of cauliflowers which over wintered in our greenhouse and now

are giving us some food in springtime-the hardest time of the year to have fresh food.

Srila Prabhupada has told us repeatedly to grow our own food and thereby we will

become independent or at least somewhat self sufficient of the Karmi rat race civilization.

Who doesn’t want to be free or have as much freedom in is life as possible and not be under

someone’s economic thumb all the time ?? I would guess almost everyone.

As devotees we know nobody can ever be totally independent, but as devotees, we should be as independent as possible of the materialistic civilization at least in the food for eating department. Our dependence should be directly upon Krsna and His material energy for our sustenance-and that one does

when one grows food for him self and family.

In the pictures below this particular variety of cauliflower has a ripening time of about 210 days which is a

very long time to wait for some food. Like 7 months ! And being somewhat impatient

I really dont like waiting that long. But in this case I had to wait.

So Krsna has kindly arranged other varieties of this same type plant that can yield its

fruit (or vegetable in this case) in differing times of a growing season.

For example just in the cauliflower species alone, one can plant 7 different kinds of

cauliflower and harvest them from sept thru may of the next spring. Thats 9 months you

can have fresh vegetable subjis to offer to Krsna ! And then we have the other 3 months in the actual

summer here where we grow all kinds of other things. So just with cauliflower alone, one can have it fresh all year. This assumes of course, that you like cauliflower , which I do.

The types available here are Amazing, Cassius Cheddar, Needles (the one below), Purple Cape, Galleon, and Maystar. Each variety has a different germination time or staggered so that if one plants them at the correct times, and is a little bit lucky as well, he or she can have fresh cauliflower all year long.

So what I have given here is a brief look at just one vegetable and how thru 4 seasons , you can have it.

And there are also many others which will give you fresh food all year long. For example- beets, kohlrabi, brussel sprouts, spinach, brussel sprouts, cabbage, all kinds of lettuce, radishes, etc etc etc.

One adds these fresh vegetables to one’s already harvested and stored foodstuffs like potatoes squash and beans, and you can make what seems like unlimited varieties of delicious meals to offer to the Lord and then honor that meal, savoring every morsel of that fresh food that Krsna has nicely provided for you.

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Hare Krishna Society

A RESPONSE BY THE HARE KRSNA SOCIETY AGAINST THE FALSE STORIES PROPAGATED ON THE INTERNET AGAINST MANY SINCERE AND DEDICATED PRABHUPANUGA DEVOTEES

What is the Hare Krishna Society?

What does it mean to be Surrendered to God?–SP

Rags to riches story-and then some

No more upadhis-material designations

Lessons from Kishkindya (Part 2): “Vaisnavas Live Forever”

GBC vs. Prabhupada: Heresies of the Governing Body Commission Rejected

This Saturday-here, 2pm

Srila Prabhupada-the one whose blessings- never fail

4 seasons harvest-how to do it