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Indian man (1): Swamiji, my main question is: although spiritualism is the Absolute Truth, can we not in some way make spiritualism in such a way, modify in such a way, as to help the common people, the masses?
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes, that we are doing.
Indian man (1): They have been steeped in ignorance for such a long time. It will take a long time to bring them into the fold of spiritualism.
Prabhupada: No. It has been made easy by Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, that “You don’t commit sinful activities and chant Hare Krsna. Chant Hare Krsna and don’t commit sinful life.” That’s all. As sinful life, we have given them: no illicit sex… We don’t say, “No sex.” No illicit sex. No illicit sex, no meat-eating. Suppose… They are not now eating meat. Are they unhealthy? They are known now as “bright-faced.” So no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no intoxication and no gambling. This is avoiding sinful life. And chant Hare Krsna. Just
see the result. Just see the result, within four, five years, how they have advanced. Not that they are Vedantist and they have studied all the Vedas, not that. Simple thing. Have you ever come here in the evening when they perform arati, kirtana? Just see how ecstatic it is, simple thing. Don’t commit sinful activities and chant Hare Krsna. Bas. You become elevated. Jagai-Madhai, they were… In those days, because they were drunkards, woman hunters, meat-eaters, they were considered most sinful. So Caitanya Mahaprabhu delivered them by this process. So there were two Jagai Madhais, and hundreds and thousands Jagai-Madhai now becoming purified.
Indian man (1): Swamiji, my main question is: although spiritualism is the Absolute Truth, can we not in some way make spiritualism in such a way, modify in such a way, as to help the common people, the masses?
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes, that we are doing.
Indian man (1): They have been steeped in ignorance for such a long time. It will take a long time to bring them into the fold of spiritualism.
Prabhupada: No. It has been made easy by Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, that “You don’t commit sinful activities and chant Hare Krsna. Chant Hare Krsna and don’t commit sinful life.” That’s all. As sinful life, we have given them: no illicit sex… We don’t say, “No sex.” No illicit sex. No illicit sex, no meat-eating. Suppose… They are not now eating meat. Are they unhealthy? They are known now as “bright-faced.” So no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no intoxication and no gambling. This is avoiding sinful life. And chant Hare Krsna. Just
see the result. Just see the result, within four, five years, how they have advanced. Not that they are Vedantist and they have studied all the Vedas, not that. Simple thing. Have you ever come here in the evening when they perform arati, kirtana? Just see how ecstatic it is, simple thing. Don’t commit sinful activities and chant Hare Krsna. Bas. You become elevated. Jagai-Madhai, they were… In those days, because they were drunkards, woman hunters, meat-eaters, they were considered most sinful. So Caitanya Mahaprabhu delivered them by this process. So there were two Jagai Madhais, and hundreds and thousands Jagai-Madhai now becoming purified.
papi-tapi jata chilo, hari-name uddharilo,
tara saksi jagai madhai
tara saksi jagai madhai
Everyone wants evidence. Papi-tapi, all sinful men were delivered simply by chanting Hare Krsna. So you may ask, “Where is the evidence?”
tara saksi jagai madhai
“The evidence is here, Jagai-Madhai.” So not that Jagai-Madhai,
five hundred years ago. Now see at the present moment. They did not
come to me after studying all the Vedas and Vedantist. They came to
me. I asked them that “Don’t commit these sinful activities and chant
Hare Krsna.” That’s all. Anyone can do. Even the child can do. So you
five hundred years ago. Now see at the present moment. They did not
come to me after studying all the Vedas and Vedantist. They came to
me. I asked them that “Don’t commit these sinful activities and chant
Hare Krsna.” That’s all. Anyone can do. Even the child can do. So you
are all educated men. You study this philosophy. Try to understand,
also join. It is your duty because you are Indian. Caitanya Mahaprabhu
entrusted this mission to the Indians.
also join. It is your duty because you are Indian. Caitanya Mahaprabhu
entrusted this mission to the Indians.
bharata-bhumite manusya-janma haila yara
janma sarthaka kari’ kara para-upakara
janma sarthaka kari’ kara para-upakara
Indians are meant for doing good to others. That is Caitanya
Mahaprabhu’s mission. An Indian can become perfect because there is
all the Vedic literature. Janma sarthaka kari. First of all, you
become perfect; then preach the knowledge for others’ benefit. This is
Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s…
Mahaprabhu’s mission. An Indian can become perfect because there is
all the Vedic literature. Janma sarthaka kari. First of all, you
become perfect; then preach the knowledge for others’ benefit. This is
Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s…
