740612mw.par Conversations 366516/53050 Satsvarupa: But by that argument, then, this body is also Krsna, made of earth and water. Prabhupada: Yes, it is Krsna’s. But you are thinking you are. That is Krsna’s. Therefore this body should be engaged for Krsna’s service. That is Krsna consciousness. You, as soon as you accept this body is Krsna’s, then you cannot employ it for other purposes. But that realization you have no. Why do you say it is Krsna’s? You are thinking your body. Or you are body. Where is that consciousness?…..
Paramahamsa: They argue that Krsna’s in the heart of every living entity. Prabhupada: Yes. Paramahamsa: Therefore, every living entity is Krsna. Prabhupada: Why? If I am in the room, I am room? Is that very good argument? Because I am in this room, I have become room? Is that argument very sound? Krsna is within this body. I am also within this body. But does it mean I am body, or Krsna is this body? Devotees: No. Prabhupada: Krsna is everything; again Krsna is… That is… What is the verse? maya tatam idam sarvam jagad avyakta-murtina: “I am spread all over the universe in My impersonal feature.” Jagad avyakta-murti…, mat-sthani sarva-bhutani. “Everything is in Me.” Naham te…, “But I am not there.” This is called simultaneously one and different. Acintya-bheda, that one has to understand. Where there is no Krsna consciousness, that is different from Krsna. Otherwise, everything is Krsna. Bhagavan: The other religions do not give any… Prabhupada: We are not talking of religions. We are talking of science.
Bhagavan: Yeah. Prabhupada: So don’t bring in any religion. A type of religion is made, “Believe something blindly.” So that is not our concern. We are talking of the science. If I say that stone is also Krsna, is not that the science? Bhagavan: It’s the science of how God’s energies are working. Prabhupada: Yes. Just like if I say heat is also fire. Is there any wrong? Bhagavan: No. Prabhupada: Is there any wrong? Devotees: No. Prabhupada: Heat is also fire. But at the same time, heat is not fire. What is the difficulty to understand? If I say heat is also fire, but it is not fire, where is the wrong? Devotee: Heat comes from the fire. Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore the fire quality is there. Heat is the quality of the fire. Just like I taste sugar. The sweetness is also sugar. And the form is also sugar. Yogesvara: Well, they would say, “If stone is also Krsna, then why aren’t we worshiping all stone?”
Prabhupada: Eh? Yogesvara: Then why don’t we worship all… Here is also some stone. Why don’t we worship this? Prabhupada: You worship. Because you are rascal, you worship. Yogesvara: No, they… Prabhupada: We, we worship Krsna in His form, but you are formless.(the impersonalists)
You worship that stone. When we make the form of Krsna in stone, then we worship, not that any stone. Because Krsna is everything, that does not mean I have to worship the dog. That you worship. Because you are impersonalist, you worship dog. And you are doing that. In the morning, you take a dog and worship it. That is your business. Our business is to worship the form of Krsna. That is the, required. (pause)
Bhagavan: Could we say that anyone who is engaged in glorifying the body is actually engaged in idol worship? Prabhupada: Hmm? Bhagavan: Anyone who’s engaged in… Prabhupada: That is already answered. Krsna says, “The body is Myself, but still, I am not there.” So you cannot say by worshiping your body, you’re worshiping Krsna. At that time, he’s not there, although the body’s also Krsna. Paramahamsa: Sometimes, they argue, “How do you know this Deity is Krsna, and this one isn’t? Because each Deity looks a little different to the material eyes.” Prabhupada: So we have to pluck out the material eyes. Then you’ll see that it is all right. First of all, let me pluck out your material eyes. Then you’ll see. Therefore it is said, premanjana-cchurita: “Eyes with love of Godhead.” Just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He saw Jagannatha Deity, Jagannatha Deity’s not very beautiful. But immediately He saw Krsna and fainted. You have to make that eyes, then you’ll see. So your present eye have to be plucked out. Then you’ll see. Hare Krsna. …..
