April 11 1974 Bombay
(because Krsna can give knowledge of past present future, that means He and His body are eternal-no misery because no birth or death)
Prabhupāda: These Māyāvādī philosophers, they create God. Anthropomorphism. What is that anthropomorphism.
Satsvarūpa: To imagine that God has a form. Man imagines God, not that God exists originally, but man imagines God based on his own form.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Anthropomorphism it is called. They create a form, but that is not the fact. God has His eternal form. That I explained. Sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1]. Vigraha means form. And it is sac-cid-ānanda, means eternal, full of knowledge and… Just like Kṛṣṇa is speaking Bhagavad-gītā. People are accepting, because that is real knowledge. And nobody reads other books so carefully. And this Bhagavad-gītā is read all over the world. All big, big scholars, big, big philosophers, theologists, they read. Because that is real knowledge. That is the proof. It is real knowledge. Cit. Sac-cid. And one who is giving real knowledge, it is natural conclusion, he has got eternal body. We cannot give real knowledge because we forget. As we change our body, we forget. Just like at night we dream, but we forget the body, this body. In another body we go to some dreamland. So because we change body therefore we forget. And because Kṛṣṇa is giving knowledge perfect, past, present and future, therefore it means that He has got eternal body. This is the proof. One should understand everything with logic. Is it not? We forget because we have no eternal body. Last birth, what I was, what you were, we have forgotten, because changed body. Death means forgetting. So because Kṛṣṇa is giving perfect knowledge of past, future and present, therefore it is to be understood that He has got eternal body. And eternal body means there is no misery. Misery means janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi [Bg. 13.9], to take birth, to die… (aside:) (Hare Kṛṣṇa.) And to suffer from disease, to suffer from old age. These are the miseries. So because Kṛṣṇa hasn’t got this temporary body, therefore He is not suffering from these things. Therefore Kṛṣṇa, you will see always, young man. You will never see Kṛṣṇa’s picture as old man, because He is eternal body. This is the conclusion..
March 31 1974 Bombay
(Because the Lord and His parts are both nitya, eternal, there must be a place where these transactions (of bhakti) take place-therefore Vaikuntha must exist)
Mr. Sar: Eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān.
Prabhupāda: In this way, from Vedas, from guru, from saintly persons, we have to understand. Sādhu guru śāstra vākya. Sādhu means who speaks strictly on the śāstra. Guru also speaks strictly on śāstra. Śāstra is the medium. Yaḥ śāstra-vidhim utsṛjya vartate kāma-kārataḥ, na siddhim avāpno… [Bg. 16.23]. Therefore we protest. Unless there is something mentioned in the authorized śāstras we don’t accept it.
Guest (1): Is it nityaḥ anityānām or nityaḥ nityānām?
Prabhupāda: Nityo nityānām. Plural number.
Dr. Patel: Plural, yes.
Guest (1): No, no, that’s right.
Prabhupāda: Plural number.
Guest (1): Permanent. Permanent, impermanent.
Prabhupāda: Both of them permanent. No, no, no. Permanent… The jīvas and the Supreme Lord, both of them are permanent, nityā. Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg. 2.20]. Just like nityaḥ śāśvato ‘yam. It is said in the Bhagavad-gītā, nityaḥ śāśvato ‘yam. Eternal, always existing. And this material word has been described: asasvataḥ. Duḥkhālayam aśāśvataḥ.
Dr. Patel: Aśāśvatam.
Prabhupāda: Aśāś… It is not permanent. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate [Bg. 8.19]. It appears and disappears. So because nityo nityānām, there is transaction between the nitya, the Supreme Nitya, Kṛṣṇa, and the…
Dr. Patel: Cetanaś cetanānām.
Prabhupāda: And the subordinate nityas, the living entities. So there must be one place also where this transaction takes place. Because this is anitya. This material world is anitya. So how the transaction between the nitya and nityānām can take place? Because the place is anitya. Therefore there must be a place which is nitya. There must be place. That is Vaikuṇṭha dhāma, spiritual world. So by practicing bhakti-yoga scientifically, by practical understanding, practical application, yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ, either at the shelter…
….If you simply understand Kṛṣṇa, then sarvam eva vijñātaṁ bhavanti. Then you have got full knowledge. And that is also stated in the Fourth Chapter. Janma karma me divyam yo janāti tattvataḥ, tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti… [Bg. 4.9]. He becomes immediately liberated. Simply if you understand Kṛṣṇa, what is Kṛṣṇa, tattvataḥ, in truth, then you are, your business is finished.
March 30 1974 Bombay
Prabhupāda: You become… I am explaining. You become entangled. Now, as soon as you become entangled… Suppose you become a dog. Now you suffer.
Dr. Patel: But when the dog is there, he does not think he’s suffering. He’s just like that pig.
Prabhupāda: And after all, Kṛṣṇa That is illusion. That is called moha, moha. One is suffering. Everyone is suffering. Suppose a big man, a minister, or the prime minister, or the chief minister, he’s also suffering. But he’s thinking, “Now I am prime minister.” That is illusion. Nobody, nobody is here peaceful. Everyone is suffering. Because threefold miseries. That is the conditional life. says that “If you are thinking that you are very happy, that you must know at least these things: janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi [Bg. 13.9].” How you can get out of it? You’ll die. Nobody wants to die.
Dr. Patel: Body dies.
Prabhupāda: But these rascals, they do… say, “Death is natural.” But why don’t you like to die? That is suffering. But he thinks, “No, no, it is good.” But as soon as I say, “I shall kill you,” “No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don’t kill me. Don’t kill me.” He does not like to die, but…
Chandobhai: Very helplessly.
Prabhupāda: Helplessly. Just like…
Dr. Patel: Swamiji, who dies?
Prabhupāda: Now, again you are…
Dr. Patel: Because he has got this… [break]
Prabhupāda: …identification is all right, but you must come to the practical point. Then don’t treat any patient. You can say, “Who is suffering?”
Dr. Patel: “Body.”
Prabhupāda: “Who is suffering…?”
Dr. Patel: We are treating the body.
Prabhupāda: “There is no need of taking medicine.”
Dr. Patel: I am treating the body. I am not in… You are treating the…
Prabhupāda: That’s all right. That body is there, and you are absorbed in body. Therefore there is suffering. You may say that “I am not this body, and I am not this body,” but when the body’s going to be killed, you become afraid. Because you are absorbed. Why go beyond this practical point?
Dr. Patel: Ācchā.
Prabhupāda: Just like everyone knows that you are not the motor car. Everyone knows it. But as soon as there is any breakage in the nice motor car, “Oh, I am gone.” Why, where you gone? You are not motor car. But because you are absorbed in the sense that “It is my car, my car, my car,” you have become absorbed. So any accident to the motor car, you become unhappy. But everyone knows you are not motor car. Why you become unhappy? This is called māyā. So you are not completely free. So so long we are in this body, so the sufferings of the body is there. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says that tāṁs titikṣasva bhārata. “Just tolerate.” Just tolerate.
March 30 1974 Bombay
Prabhupāda: …That is the first thing, ācāryopāsanam. But these rascals, they do not do that. They have no ācārya; still, they, write comment on Bhagavad-gītā. You see? This is the rascaldom. Ācāryopāsanam. One must go… Ācāryavān puruṣo veda. Unless one accepts ācārya, he does not know anything.
Dr. Patel: And then amānitvam adambhitvam…
Prabhupāda: First of all, try to understand one word please. One word, if you understand, your life will be successful. Don’t go further. Ācāryopāsanam. This is the very important thing.
Dr. Patel: Every, every word is important, Bhagavad-gītā… Why one word?
Prabhupāda: Yes! So ācārya, who is ācārya? Then next question will be: who is ācārya? Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ [Bg. 4.2]. Those who are coming, the ācārya-sampradāya. Śrī-sampradāya, Rudra-sampradāya, the four sampradāyas. So unless… Sampradāya vihīnā ye mantrās te viphalāḥ… Unless one comes to the ācārya disciplic succession, whatever nonsense he speaks, it is all useless. This is the most important thing, ācāryopāsanam.
Some Conclusions--Just chant Hare Krsna and become free of all illusions-but first thing is that one must have an Acarya to guide one, and this person must be a bona fide guru
Otherwise— it is all useless.
And that my friends, is an entirely different topic.
Hare Krsna
damaghosa das