Dec 31 1973 LA MORNING WALK CONVERSATION
Viṣṇujana: They say, “We want to regress and become like India.” If everyone becomes devotees, then they’ll all walk around like us and regress.
Prabhupāda: There is no devotee in India, real devotee, at the present moment.
Viṣṇujana: So they classify us like that. They say, “You Hare Kṛṣṇa people, you want to take us back to cholera and dysentery and everything.”
Prabhupāda: But you are already suffering from cancer. What you have done? (laughter) Instead of cholera, you have got cancer. Is that very good exchange?
Viṣṇujana: One out of eight men has venereal disease.
Prabhupāda: From frying pan to the fire. Cholera has got some remedy, but here there is no remedy. Hm? What is that?
Viṣṇujana: In this country they have the venereal disease. One out of ten men is suffering gonorrhea.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Long ago one professor, medical professor, he said, he was Englishman—that in our country, 75% students are suffering from venereal disease. Colonel Megor (?). Yes. Colonel Megor. There must be venereal disease because sex life is so cheap. There must be venereal disease. And venereal disease, once infected, it brings so many other diseases, one after another, one after another. The cancer is also due to that. Madness. Yes. And the Vedic civilization knew it. Therefore first restriction: sex. Brahmacārī. First beginning, brahmacārī. No sex life. You see? Just to save. This venereal disease is mentioned in the Āyur-veda. It is called phiraṅgāmaya. Phiraṅga means “white Europeans.” It is diseased… And medical science also says that it was begun from dog. The girls, they have sex life with dog and there is the beginning of venereal disease.
Viṣṇujana: Yes, from animal. Ass, dog, cow.
Prabhupāda: That is the beginning. So the girl becomes infected, and she distributes to all men who have sex life with… This is the beginning of sex life. And in Mexico I have heard that they regularly make theatrical demonstration, how a woman is getting sex with ass. Is it?
Bahulāśva: Yes. That is in Tijuana.
Prabhupāda: Just see. Brahmānanda told me. People have become so degraded. They make regular show, how sex life can be enjoyed with animals.
Bahulāśva: That is abominable.
South American Devotee: In South of Argentina, the soldiers, they have sex life with different animals. The army. When they are so long alone without…, and they have…
Prabhupāda: The government allow?
South American Devotee: Oh yeah.
Prabhupāda: It is legal. Just see. Where it is?
South American Devotee: South Argentina.
Prabhupāda: Now, if you analyze the present human society, you will find there is not a single human being. All animals. All animals. Not a single human being. (Bengali) What is time now?
Bahulāśva: Nine o’clock, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: So let us go. [break] People, they do not know what is the aim of life. That is the difficulty.
Viṣṇujana: Yes. From childhood they are taught sense gratification.
Prabhupāda: That’s all. They do not know that for sense gratification, enough facility is there in the animal kingdom. So if you want to give facility for sense gratification, does it mean that you want to become more than or less than animal? Not more than.
Viṣṇujana: They want dog’s life. They think dog’s life is good life. They have to work hard and the dog stays at home all day and enjoys in their nice big house. So they think, “I would be better to be the dog.”
Prabhupāda: So they have become. But when he becomes street dog? That means he has to depend on good master. Big apartment for dog means he belongs to the master. So he has to find out a good master. But if he fails to find out a good master, then he’s street dog. Dog’s life is good, provided he gets a good master. So therefore we have decided to become dog of Kṛṣṇa, (laughter) the best master. And the master says, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ: [Bg. 18.66] “I will give you protection.” So why not become dog of Kṛṣṇa?
Prajāpati: He will be flea a on Kṛṣṇa’s dog.
Prabhupāda: Yes, everyone will be fleas. Therefore Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura sings, vaiṣṇava ṭhākura, tomāra kukura, boliyā jānaha more. “O Vaiṣṇava, please accept me as your dog.” Because to become Kṛṣṇa’s dog, one has to become the dog of a Vaiṣṇava. Then he will be admitted as Kṛṣṇa’s dog. Vaiṣṇava ṭhākura, tomāra kukura, boliyā jānaha more.
Boy passer-by: Hare Kṛṣṇa. (yells out loudly)
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. (laughter)
Bahulāśva: Advancement.
Prabhupāda: So why don’t you answer them, “Yes, you become a dog, but you become a dog of a good master.” What is the use of becoming dog of another dog? Then what profit will be there? Is it not? We are… Actually every one of us is dog. And we are trying to satisfy so many masters. The masters are our senses. We are already dog, everyone, because everyone is servant of the senses, kāma, krodha, lobha, moha, mātsarya. So everyone is dog. Now he has to remain a dog, but by becoming dog of these senses, he is not happy. Find out a good master, and become a dog. You become happy. This is our philosophy. And the best master is Kṛṣṇa. We are also trying to be dog, but not of another dog, but real master. That is our philosophy. What is the use of becoming a dog of another dog? That is not proper. Here the material world is that “I am dog, I have got a master, and the master has got another master. He has got another master, he has got another master.” Nobody can say that “I am Absolute.” Nobody can say. That is not possible. You must have a master. Therefore everyone is a dog. So why don’t you find out the Absolute master, the biggest master? And that is God. “God is great.” Capture Him, master. Then you will be happy. That is intelligence. When one comes to his senses, that “I have served so many masters. Neither the master has become happy, neither I have become happy.” That is frustration. Everyone. The master is not happy. You serve any master. Ask him, “Are you satisfied?” And, “What you have done, that I will be satisfied? You have to do so many things.” So he is not satisfied, and you are not satisfied. Then to become dog of this ordinary master will never give us satisfaction. Always frustration. Just become the dog of the supreme master. You will be happy. Supreme master is Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Mahāprabhu. Prabhu means master. That Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s name, Mahāprabhu, “the supreme master.”
Viṣṇujana: He is easily pleased.
Prabhupāda: Oh yes. (end)
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SB 7.5.30—Prahlāda Mahārāja replied: Because of their uncontrolled senses, persons too addicted to materialistic life make progress toward hellish conditions and repeatedly chew that which has already been chewed. Their inclinations toward Kṛṣṇa are never aroused, either by the instructions of others, by their own efforts, or by a combination of both.