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Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: One young boy in Johannesburg wanted to join us. He is sixteen years old. So his headmaster said, “What you will do without an education?” They think that this is the greatest ignorance. These are the leaders of education, the headmaster. [break]
Prabhupāda: …spiritual education, he remains an animal. That’s all. [break] That is Vedānta-sūtra, athāto brahma jijñāsā. To find out the ultimate goal, that is education. Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1], “Wherefrom everything is coming,” that is education.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: But they may say, “That is not practical, because we will starve to death with such knowledge.”
Prabhupāda: Then… Then you are useless. Because you cannot go to the ultimate point of education, therefore your education is useless.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: But then they will ask, “You will come and bring me food?”
Prabhupāda: Yes, I will give you food. Food is there. You are not creating food. It is… From the earth it is grown.
Brahmānanda: But we have to work very hard; otherwise we won’t get money for buying food.
Prabhupāda: No. You work a very slight three months in a year and get all food. Food is there; milk is there; land is there. You have to work.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Is it possible to take the mass of crowlike people and give them the higher taste?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Is it possible to take a mass of crowlike people and elevate them?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Human beings, after all, they are. They can be educated. That is the opportunity of human life, that he can be educated. The cats and dogs cannot. [break]
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Cyavana: That is their propaganda. [break]
Prabhupāda: There was no… We don’t require all these things because we know others are victims. They pay for it. And they work hard for the money and pay to work. That’s all. Our men never touch this Coca-cola and cigarette, but others, they are mad after it.
Brahmānanda: They say they have to work so hard to get food, but actually they are working hard for this.
Prabhupāda: He’ll get food. Food they can grow very easily, but they… Anartha. This is called anartha. Anartha means unnecessarily. Ādau śraddh tata sādhu-saṅgo ‘tha bhajana-kriy tato ‘nartha-nivṛtti syāt. So anartha-nivṛtti civilization, not anartha increasing. Civilization means anartha-nivṛtti syāt because we are complicated by the anarthas, unwanted things. [break] …this way there is bulls, horses for transport. But what is the use of these big, big motorbuses and acquire petrol, machine, factory, so many things? But nature’s way there is already means of transport. The horses are there. The bulls are there. But they will eat them, and they will create these motor big, big buses and then petrol, then fight.