Conversations-July 26 1975 Laguna beach California
Guest: Sir, are you familiar with Yogananda’s Self-Realization Fellowship and the practice of recruiting wealthy people as patrons for people who are sincerely interested in following a spiritual pursuit?
Prabhupāda: Hm, what is…?
Rāmeśvara: He asked if you were, Śrīla Prabhupāda, if you were familiar with another yoga society founded by one swami called Yogananda. He called it the Self-Realization Fellowship. And they have a practice to recruit wealthy men as their members. He simply asked if you knew of that.
Guest: Do you think that this hinders with their development?
Prabhupāda: No. Spirit soul is the same thing either in wealthy man or poor man. The spirit soul is not different. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, vidyā-vinaya-sampanne brāhmaṇe gavi hastini śuni caiva śva-pāke ca paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ
[Bg. 5.18]
If Yogananda thinks like that—”Only rich man is able to practice yoga”—that is wrong. A poor man can also practice yoga. Because yoga means connecting, linking up with the Supreme. So as spirit soul, everyone is fit to connect himself with the Supreme. That is the statement in the Bhāgavatam. Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje [SB 1.2.6]. That is first-class self-realization when one tries to connect himself with the Supreme. And the Supreme can be connected by anyone. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gita, māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye ‘pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ [Bg. 9.32]. According to Vedic philosophy, one becomes poor on account of his sinful activities. So pāpa-yoni… So although he has taken birth in a degraded family or poor family, spiritually he is pure. Simply one has to revive his spiritual consciousness.And that cannot be checked by any material condition. Ahaituky apratihatā. Spiritual self-realization cannot be checked by any material condition. So why? Rather, opulent condition is not favorable for practicing yoga. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, bhogaiśvarya-prasaktānāṁ tayāpahṛta-cetasām [Bg. 2.44]. Those who are too much attached to material enjoyment, they cannot practice yoga.
Guest: The reason why I asked was because other spiritual masters such as Jesus and the Buddha have required first that people give all of their possession to the poor rather than give them to a community fund such as the Self-Realization Fellowship, the Society for Kṛṣṇa Consciousness, or any other…
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is right, because after all… Why to the poor? We say… I do not know whether Jesus Christ, Lord Buddha, said, but generally people are inclined to give to the poor. That, suppose you have got some money. I go: “Sir, give us some contribution for spending for Kṛṣṇa consciousness.” He will not like very much. And if I go, ask some money, that “I am going to open some hospital for the poor suffering humanity,” he will give immediately. Is it not the general tendency? If I say a moneyed man, “Please give me some money. I will spend it for Kṛṣṇa,” he will not give. (chuckles) But if I approach him that “I am going to open a charitable institution for the poor,” he will give me. So these Jesus Christ and Lord Buddha has said like that just to try to this, make this man dispossess. But he will not be inclined to pay for Kṛṣṇa; he will be inclined for the poor. The real purpose is to make him dispossess. Unless he is penniless, he will not take to God.So the real purpose is to make him dispossess. But he will not be inclined to pay his money for God. So let him pay to the poor, that’s all. Otherwise, if anyone has got money, he should return it to God because it is God’s money. Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvaṁ yat kiñcit jagatyāṁ jagat [Īśo mantra 1]. Find out this, Īśopaniṣad. Everything belongs to God. That I was speaking, that we don’t possess anything. This big ocean, is it our property? But we are claiming, “This portion of Pacific is mine.” How it became yours? Did your father manufacture it? But we are claiming falsely, “This is mine. This is American portion, and this is Japanese portion. This is that portion and…” We do not possess it; we falsely claim it. This is our position. Actually it is the possession of God. God has created this land, this ocean, the sky, the air, the fire. You have not created. So how claim? We are claiming, “This space is our. You cannot fly your plane on this space.” Do they not do like that? But how the space came to your possession? You have not created it. This is misunderstanding. I do not possess it; still, I claim, “It is my property.” And there is fight. You are claiming something your property, I am claiming something as my property, but none of them belongs to you or me.
Brahmānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda, in America there’s a great deal of material development but very little spiritual development.
Prabhupāda: Therefore, we have given you the Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that material development is very good provided it is added with spiritual consciousness. Zero is very good when it is added with one. Otherwise, thousands of zeros together is still zero. But if there is one, then it increases value. If you have got ten zeros, so together, ten zero, it is zero. But if you add one, that ten zeros means—some millions?
Rāmeśvara: No, billion.
Prabhupāda: Billion. So zero is there, and one is there. You add together. Then the value will increase. Otherwise you remain zero. And because the so much material opulence is zero, therefore the hippies are disappointed. It is zero. What they will do with the zero?
Devotee (2): Śrīla Prabhupāda, our parents in America teach us that we ought to be doing good things for other people. Should we be engaged for our fellow people?
Prabhupāda: But that you do not know, how to do good to the people. Just like a diseased man. The doctor has ordered that he should starve. But if you go in the hospital and you take sympathy with the starving patient, “Oh, you are starving for the last three days,” if you give to him some food without the permission of the physician, then you will be punished. So he may think that “Oh, here is a starving man. I must give him some food.” But you are liable to be punished. So first of all learn how to do good to others. So that is described here. Tasyaiva hetoḥ prayateta kovido [SB 1.5.18]. To bring him to the knowledge of self-realization, that is good. If you can distribute knowledge to bring him back to his consciousness, original consciousness, that is real welfare activity. Otherwise, if you manufacture something that “This man is starving: let me give him some food,” it may be wrongly done, and you are liable to be punished. So first of all, you must learn what is actually good to the human society. Then, if we do that, that is good. In ignorance, if we do it, then we may be liable to be punished.
Some Conclusions-This conversation is about where to place our activity so that it will reap the maximum results-if results are what we want. To give to the poor is good, obviously, but Srila Prabupadas point is that most people will do this but NOT give to God because they dont know that their actual interest is to please God-Lord Visnu. When we water the root (God) then the entire plant (all creation) benefits. But most cannot understand this simple point because they are totally engrossed in body consciousness which prevents them from having spiritual consciousness.
So he says Jesus and Buddha told their followers just to give to the poor just to dispossess them from their money because in the long run this will help them understand spiritual subject matter., by losing or giving up their attachments to matter.
Hare Krsna
damaghosa das
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below first shot is garden #1 with pole beans in foreground coming along and summer/winter squash behind by greenhouse
second shot is about a hundred potato plants coming up and a couple dozen basils next to them
third shot is close to a hundred tomato plants in the greenhouse and a couple dozen pepper plants along the pathway in the middle. Also lots of peas already getting picked here on both sides
fourth shot is outside 2 raised beds with 30 tomato plants and the Cecil Brunner rose bush growing everywhere off the tool shed. If you want a prolific rose bush/tree this is the one to get-super fragrant and just the right size for our Deities.
Note-it just started to sprinkle rain when I shot these so no sunlight here…
