Prabhupāda: .. That… I gave the example. Now you take one egg. What is there? Some white and some yellow substance. So you make one egg with white and yellow and bring life. So what is the power of your seeing? A small egg. Take a small egg. The covering, some celluloid, within, some white substance, some yellow substance. Or make further analysis and give some chemicals of the same taste, same color, same characteristic—now bring life. But the same thing. You put under the feather of the chicken. Within five days it will bring life. So what is the credit of these rascal doctors, D.H.C.? That a small chicken is better than these D.H.C. Why don’t you see practically?

Gargamuni: The chicken is simply sitting, and he is…

Prabhupāda: He is bringing life. What is the answer of these rascal scientists?

Satsvarūpa: No good answer. Bluff.

Prabhupāda: Challenge them like this, that “First of all do it. You are less than the chicken. Why you are claiming so much honor? We treat you, you are fig. You are less important than the chicken. Prove that you have got some power; then claim that you are scientist.” Hm? Is that argument all right? What will be the counterargument?

Gurukṛpā: A sane man would accept.

Prabhupāda: They’re all rascals. They do not know anything; still, they are claiming very high position.

Gurukṛpā: I heard one scientist on the airplane. There were three scientists sitting behind me, and they were speaking that they hope they are living in the year 2000. One man said, “I become so excited when I think how advanced we will be in the year 2000 that I just hope I do not die before then ’cause I want to see how everything will be then.”

Satsvarūpa: By then they think they will be doing this, creating life.

Prabhupāda: That any insane man can say. Any crazy man can say. “Trust no future, however pleasant.” “You are rascal.You are believing in the future. You have not show us, because in the past you could not do. There is no history. In the present you cannot do. So how shall I believe that in future you’ll do?” So any rascal promises like that, so we take him as a rascal. That’s all.

Satsvarūpa: What about our promise, in the future also, that you go to Kṛṣṇa in the future?

Prabhupāda: We have got proof. Kṛṣṇa says. We believe in Kṛṣṇa. You believe in some rascal; we believe in Kṛṣṇa. That is the difference. Kṛṣṇa says, tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti [Bg. 4.9]. So we believe that. That’s all. We have got evidence. You have no evidence. You are simply suggesting in future you’ll do. But we have got evidence.

Gargamuni: Sometimes they ask, “Show us somebody who’s come.”

Prabhupāda: Hm?

Gargamuni: “Show us someone who has come from there.”

Prabhupāda: Many.

Gargamuni: “But we don’t find any.”

Prabhupāda: Many. It is in the śāstra. “He was formerly like this, and now he has become this.” There are many.

Gargamuni: Well, that’s in the śāstra. They say now we want…

Prabhupāda: But śāstra is the proof. Our proof is śāstra. Your proof is your śāstra. Did you go to the moon planet or you believe the newspapers? Have you gone?

Gargamuni: No.

Prabhupāda: Then if you can believe newspaper, why shall not believe in the Veda, Vedānta?

Gargamuni: No, but one man has come.

Prabhupāda: So one man… You have not done. You have no experience. So one man you believe authority.

Gurukṛpā: But we saw the television. They showed on the television.

Prabhupāda: No. Television could not show that. You can arrange in the laboratory such television, cheat others. And you have done it. But anyway, television or man or newspaper—you believe on others. You have not personally gone. So you believe some authority. We believe some authority. What is the difference. You take newspaper as authority. We take Vedic literature as authority. Where is the difference? You have personally not gone. How do you believe? The difference is that you believe somebody, we believe somebody. I asked this question to Professor Kotovsky, that “You believe Lenin; we believe Kṛṣṇa. Then where is the difference between philosophy?” Now it is to be judged whether Lenin is all right or Kṛṣṇa is all right. That is another thing. But the principle is there. “You believe in Lenin; we believe in Kṛṣṇa. The process is the same. So where is your improvement?”

Satsvarūpa: They say that theirs can be shown not just to a disciple but to the whole world in general, not just…

Prabhupāda: Nobody believes in Lenin. Then there would have been everyone Communist. You believe, a section. Then why there are two parties? You are not all in all. That is going on everywhere. How you can say that you are correct, I am not correct? The process is the same. Therefore Vivekananda has compromised, “Everyone is correct.” Yato mata tato patha. There is no quarrel.

Gurukṛpā: Then they accuse us of being fanatical.

Prabhupāda: You are also fanatical. Why do you believe Lenin? You are fanatical in our eyes. You are worse than fanatical because we have got great other authorities—they believe Kṛṣṇa is God. You have created a section recently, but we have got evidences from thousands and thousands of years ago, authorities believing Kṛṣṇa. Our literatures are very old. Your literature recently made.

Gargamuni: Sometimes, though, they may agree philosophically about Kṛṣṇa, but then they will bring in Kṛṣṇa’s controversial personal life. They always do this.

Prabhupāda: Personal life?

Gargamuni: They bring in about, always about the gopīs and Kṛṣṇa.

Gurukṛpā: They just did that recently in Honolulu.

Gargamuni: Philosophically they may agree. But then they will go and attack Kṛṣṇa’s...

Gurukṛpā: Character.

Gargamuni: His character.

Prabhupāda: But that… Because…

Gargamuni: Even in India they do. They say, “Rāma, He was better.”

Prabhupāda: But what do you know about Rāma and Kṛṣṇa? You do not know anything. You are not a devotee. You have to learn the science. Manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu kaścid yatati [Bg. 7.3]. You are ordinary man. You cannot understand. Then one can criticize his father and mother also, that “My fa…” They do. Some rascal do that. Kim anyat kāma-haitukam. “My father has done harm to me. By lusty desire he gave me birth, and I am suffering.” They say like that. So you can in that way, you criticize your father and mother. But that is not law. Law is father and mother should be respected. But you rascal, you can criticize your father. You are such a rascal.

Gargamuni: ‘Cause in India that happens a lot. Especially…

Prabhupāda: No, then father, mother, should not be respected, because they indulged in sexual life and brought me into existence and I am suffering. Then there should be no respect of father and mother. And then this sex life should be stopped, and there is no need of big, big scientist, philosopher. Because this indulgence will bring so many big men, so it should be stopped. But Kṛṣṇa is the father. Why He should not have sex? Any father has got sex. So if you criticize Kṛṣṇa, then you must criticize your father first. But that is not the law of nature nor the law of the society. Law is different. Who will criticize his father? Any sane man? Will any sane man do that? So you are insane. So who is caring for your remark? You are insane.

Hari-śauri: They’re just envious of Kṛṣṇa, anyway. They’re envious because they want to enjoy.

Prabhupāda: That is the cause, that they’re criticizing. They’re envious.

Gargamuni: Oh, yes.

Prabhupāda: That’s all. The envious man can say anything.

Gargamuni: That I notice when they say that. I can notice their envy.

Prabhupāda: But still Kṛṣṇa is being worshiped. Here is Jagannātha, Kṛṣṇa. Millions of people have come to worship. You are rascal. You may criticize. It doesn’t affect Kṛṣṇa’s respectful position.

Gargamuni: Caitanya Mahāprabhu, although Kṛṣṇa’s life may have been controversial, still, He was very strict sannyāsī.

Prabhupāda: He never criticized Kṛṣṇa. Rather, He was enjoying Kṛṣṇa’s love with gopīs.

Gurukṛpā: Ramya kaścid upāsanā varga…(?)

Prabhupāda: So we have to follow Caitanya Mahāprabhu, not you.

Some Conclusions- This is a very instructive conversation with Srila Prabhupada about many topics-including how to defeat the materialistic scientists who claim life comes from chemical, to the faked moon landing on TV, to dis respecting your father because he brought you into this world, and finally to envy of Krsna because He was said by the foolish and envious to have been promiscous with the Gopis. Prabhupada covers it all very nicely.

Also mentioned was some scientists conversation overheard on an airplane about how “advanced” we as a civilization would become by the year 2000. Well its now 2019 and the same sufferings are going on just as they were back in 1977-but only worse. They have invented the internet but that has brought all sorts of mental addictions unheard of back then. And also the internet can bring us more Maya, but in nano seconds instead of days or months. So wheres the improvement? More Maya less Krsna. This is not advancement in spiritual life which is the real life.

He also points out in the conversation above, that our belief or faith is based upon our scriptural authority handed down for thousands of years by great self realized souls. None of this information has ever been changed because that would spoil its authority. If we change things then we are at fault. Today it has become commonplace and fashionable to change whimsically whatever people want.

Hare Krsna

damaghosa das