June 19 1974 Germany morning walk conversation
(Note--BelowSrila Prabhupada explains how the Christians (and most everyone else) take religion as an easy going affair with Jesus, He also explains how to understand reincarnation.)
Prabhupāda: ...five items. No illicit sex, no gambling, no intoxication, no meat-eating and chant sixteen rounds. Is it very difficult task?
Haṁsadūta: No.
Prabhupāda: And why people do not take it?
Haṁsadūta: They are just foolish.
Prabhupāda: If by following these five principles one can be saved from all problems of life… Still, people will not take it. Just see, strong māyā. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14]. [break] What was the later on talk?
…At present Christian religion is made easy. Christian religion made easy. What is that? Now, first of all Christ has taken out contract that “You go on committing all sinful life. I am guaranteeing you will be saved.” Is it not?
Haṁsadūta: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Or…? What is that?
Satsvarūpa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So poor Christ has taken all concern. He will be crucified, and they will enjoy life. This is very easy religion. “I have nothing to do, and besides that, if Christ says something to do, that also we can neglect because he has taken guarantee. So although Christ says, ‘Thou shalt not kill,’ I can neglect that.” And then, if still he is captured, he will say, “Bible is very old.”
Haṁsadūta: How can we accept it?
Prabhupāda: (laughing) How they have made easy life, that see. They are… There is a story that a boy went for examination. So when he came back, his father asked, “My dear boy, how you have written your question paper?” “Yes, very nice.” “How?” “No, those questions which were very difficult, I could not answer. And the easier questions, what is to write? I know everything. (laughter) Easier questions, there is no need of writing. I know everything.” Both ways he has not written anything. So these rascals, both ways they will not follow anything. And still, they will credit… Not only Christians, everywhere these people want to banish God. Simply we are canvassing “God, God, God.” Otherwise nobody cares. Say about 1945, so in front of my house there was an old man. So as neighbor, we had very good talks always. So as soon as I say, “Bhagavān,” he will be angry. “God.” So one day he said, “Why you always say Bhagavān, God?” Just see, an old man and still he is such a rascal. He did not like. That is called demonism. Even the father of Prahlāda Mahārāja, that five years old boy, he was doing nothing harm, simply chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa—he became angry: “No, no.” So big enemy that he wanted to kill him. This is demoniac.
…Prabhupāda: There was a movement, Moral Rearmament Movement, started from America.
… So it was going on for some years, then collapsed. The movement was started by some priest or gentleman, and it was supported by President Eisenhower. It was patronized by him. So their principle was that, Christian principle, that “You do whatever you[want]… Simply confess. Simply confess.” So that man came to India also with his party, just like I travel. [break] …
[without ]substance, no movement will stay. It may go on for some time, bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate [Bg. 8.19].Now, what about our movement? It will stay or it will also go like that?
Satsvarūpa: It will stay. We already have another generation coming up in Gurukula. The big danger, you say, is faction.
(Note— Srila Prabhupadas prophetic words above, again ringing true….)
…Prabhupāda: We shall go straight or right?
Haṁsadūta: Right. [break]
Mādhavānanda: Dehino ‘smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā [Bg. 2.13]. Could it be said, then, that we are transmigrating even while in this life?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Mādhavānanda: From boyhood to youth.
Prabhupāda: Yes. What is transmigration? Transmigration means the first body you lose; you enter a second body, a third body, fourth. So your childhood body is not existing. Therefore you are in different body.
Mādhavānanda: So that way anyone can understand.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the way of understanding. And Kṛṣṇa says, the authority, that “This is the way.” It is not that I have manufactured some philosophy. No. The most powerful authority, He says. So where is the position to deny it? Who can deny it, Kṛṣṇa’s statement? If somebody denies, then he is a rascal. That’s all. Therefore we say that we have no difficulty to find out a rascal. As soon as one denies this, Kṛṣṇa’s statement, he is a rascal. That’s it. Anyone who does not accept the transmigration of the soul, he is a rascal, that’s all, immediately. So easily understood, and still they will not understand. What is the possible objection?
Satsvarūpa: Well, that example can be understood, but for the materialist, he doesn’t see how it applies to afterlife, one takes another body.
(Note-here Prabhupada explains the answer to his question about taking another body after death)
Prabhupāda: Why, why he does not?
Satsvarūpa: Because he can’t perceive. He can perceive that he has changed from child to old man, but he can’t perceive what is going to happen after death. So who knows?
Prabhupāda: But he cannot perceive that we, at night we change this body and go to another body when we dream? He cannot perceive? Your body, this body, is laid down on the bed, and you go away, and you are thinking that you are in Europe and America or in the sky or so many things. So what is that?
Satsvarūpa: Yes, while its happening he can’t perceive it.
Prabhupāda: But that is happening. He is seeing. He is a man. He is seeing. Why he cannot perceive? What is the difficulty? What is the answer, anyone?
Mādhavānanda: He is in illusion.
Prabhupāda: Illusion. You are seeing an illusion? [in your dream]Some tiger is coming. You are crying, “Save me, save me.” It is illusion. This body is also illusion. But you are affected. That means you are experiencing. How you can say that you are not perceiving? And when in dream you see your beloved or woman and man, there is no, nothing such thing, but still, there is [semen] discharge. Why? Why you are not perceiving? How you can say that you are not perceiving. It is perceiving. What is the answer? You are perceiving every night…
Satsvarūpa: Yes, in dreams.
Prabhupāda: ...that you leave this body, you accept another body and do something else which you see. If that is illusion, then this is also illusion. Because in daytime you forget that night activities, and at night you forget the day activities. So this is also illusion. So therefore you are in illusion. That’s a fact, day and night, day and night. That is called māyā. This is also māyā. But they have accepted this as fact. The gross illusion they have taken as fact. This is also illusion. You are thinking, “I am American,” “I am Indian,” “German.” What is that? By one kick of nature you are out, the cat and dog. This is also illusion. What is not illusion?
Haṁsadūta: So there are also living beings, they accept the subtle material as illusion just as we are accepting this gross.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is going on. Therefore the problem is where is my real life? That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. When one understands, the rascal, that “This is also illusion. This is also illusion. Then where is my actual life?” that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
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This is the good life below–growing your own food and then offering the results to God-Krsna
There is no illusion here —Hare Krsna
damaghosa das
below pics of a small amount of this years crop harvest