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So in this way, either of these three, sufferings going on. But
those who are sleeping, they cannot understand that this is suffering.
Just like animals. They cannot understand. That is sleeping stage. And
when one is awakened, he will think “I don’t want all these
sufferings. Why they are imposed upon me? How I can avoid?” That is
intelligence. So human being, unless he comes to this platform of
intelligence, he is animal. The animal cannot do any remedy. You take
one animal to the slaughterhouse. He cannot do anything. So sleeping
means to remain in ignorance. And awakened stage means in knowledge.
So intelligence means one must have knowledge. That is intelligence.
So this division–brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra–means the highest
intelligent class man is called brahmana. He knows. He’s in knowledge.
Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati. Next intelligent,
less, is the ksatriyas. Next, the vaisyas. And the sudras, they are
like, almost like animals. They have no independence. Just like animal
has no independence. A dog, without a master, he cannot live. His life
is very precarious. So at the present moment, however one qualified
may be, unless he gets a good job, he’s just like a dog, a street dog.
He may be very highly qualified, technologically, but if he does not
get a job, then he’s useless. He’ll go. “Sir, can you give me any
So in this way, either of these three, sufferings going on. But
those who are sleeping, they cannot understand that this is suffering.
Just like animals. They cannot understand. That is sleeping stage. And
when one is awakened, he will think “I don’t want all these
sufferings. Why they are imposed upon me? How I can avoid?” That is
intelligence. So human being, unless he comes to this platform of
intelligence, he is animal. The animal cannot do any remedy. You take
one animal to the slaughterhouse. He cannot do anything. So sleeping
means to remain in ignorance. And awakened stage means in knowledge.
So intelligence means one must have knowledge. That is intelligence.
So this division–brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra–means the highest
intelligent class man is called brahmana. He knows. He’s in knowledge.
Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati. Next intelligent,
less, is the ksatriyas. Next, the vaisyas. And the sudras, they are
like, almost like animals. They have no independence. Just like animal
has no independence. A dog, without a master, he cannot live. His life
is very precarious. So at the present moment, however one qualified
may be, unless he gets a good job, he’s just like a dog, a street dog.
He may be very highly qualified, technologically, but if he does not
get a job, then he’s useless. He’ll go. “Sir, can you give me any
job?” “No vacancies.” A dog like. Just like dog goes, moves the tail,
“Can you give me some food.” Somebody gives him, “Eh! Hut!” This is
the position.
Therefore in this age kalau sudra-sambhavah. In
Kali-yuga, there is no brahmana, no ksatriya. There are some vaisyas.
And all sudras. Because they cannot live without being engaged by
somebody else. And the whole civilization is going on, big, big
factories, big, big… What is that? Sudras. They are creating sudras.
“People should be dependent.” Unless you work… Therefore people are
going fifty miles away, going… I have seen in New York. People are
coming from the other side… What is that?
Hamsaduta: Connecticut
Prabhupada: No, no. Staten Island?
Hamsaduta: Staten Island.
“Can you give me some food.” Somebody gives him, “Eh! Hut!” This is
the position.
Therefore in this age kalau sudra-sambhavah. In
Kali-yuga, there is no brahmana, no ksatriya. There are some vaisyas.
And all sudras. Because they cannot live without being engaged by
somebody else. And the whole civilization is going on, big, big
factories, big, big… What is that? Sudras. They are creating sudras.
“People should be dependent.” Unless you work… Therefore people are
going fifty miles away, going… I have seen in New York. People are
coming from the other side… What is that?
Hamsaduta: Connecticut
Prabhupada: No, no. Staten Island?
Hamsaduta: Staten Island.
Prabhupada: Crossing by ferry, one hour. Then waiting for bus, another
hour. Then going to the office. Then after office, they’re coming
back. Again going. Whole day, they’re dependent on everything. That is
the condition in New York. It is to be supposed: the most advanced
city. The same thing is everywhere. People are becoming dependent,
sudra, just like dogs. A dog, unless he gets a nice master, he’s not
happy. So at the present moment, all the population, just like the
cats and dogs, they’re dependent. They are not intelligent.
Intelligence means he must be independent. That is intelligence. And
people are struggling for independence. That is their motive. Everyone
is struggling hard for independence. Because that is the culmination
of intelligence. So our problem is that we do not know what we are.
Neither we know how to get out of the miserable condition of life.
Therefore we have no intelligence. We are like cats and dogs. This is
the conclusion. What do you think? Am I right or wrong?
hour. Then going to the office. Then after office, they’re coming
back. Again going. Whole day, they’re dependent on everything. That is
the condition in New York. It is to be supposed: the most advanced
city. The same thing is everywhere. People are becoming dependent,
sudra, just like dogs. A dog, unless he gets a nice master, he’s not
happy. So at the present moment, all the population, just like the
cats and dogs, they’re dependent. They are not intelligent.
Intelligence means he must be independent. That is intelligence. And
people are struggling for independence. That is their motive. Everyone
is struggling hard for independence. Because that is the culmination
of intelligence. So our problem is that we do not know what we are.
Neither we know how to get out of the miserable condition of life.
Therefore we have no intelligence. We are like cats and dogs. This is
the conclusion. What do you think? Am I right or wrong?
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Conclusions from the above–
1) when one is awakened, he will think “I don’t want all these
sufferings. Why they are imposed upon me? How I can avoid?” That is
intelligence.
2) So intelligence means one must have knowledge
3) There are some vaisyas.And all sudras. Because they cannot live without being engaged by
somebody else
4) Intelligence means he must be independent. That is intelligence. And
people are struggling for independence. That is their motive. Everyone
is struggling hard for independence. Because that is the culmination
of intelligence.
Conclusions from the above–
1) when one is awakened, he will think “I don’t want all these
sufferings. Why they are imposed upon me? How I can avoid?” That is
intelligence.
2) So intelligence means one must have knowledge
3) There are some vaisyas.And all sudras. Because they cannot live without being engaged by
somebody else
4) Intelligence means he must be independent. That is intelligence. And
people are struggling for independence. That is their motive. Everyone
is struggling hard for independence. Because that is the culmination
of intelligence.
