751210mw.vrn Conversations
Prabhupada: What do you understand, fully Krsna conscious?
Visala: It’s to see Krsna face to face?
Prabhupada: That means Krsna conscious? Everyone is seeing Krsna face
to face. When you go to the temple Krsna is there, and you are seeing.
Does it mean everyone is Krsna conscious?
Visala: No.
Prabhupada: Then what is the meaning of Krsna conscious?
Indian man: Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati.
Prabhupada: Hm, that is part of Krsna consciousness, brahma bhutah.
Real Krsna consciousness is: “Krsna is master, I am servant.” This is
Krsna consciousness.
Visala: To understand that you’re the servant and Krsna is the master.
I see.
Prabhupada: When you fully understand, that is your Krsna… That is
Krsna conscious. (break) So long you think that “I can also become
like Krsna,” then you are not Krsna conscious.
Visala: In other words, if you still have material desires you can’t
be fully Krsna conscious.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is the beginning of Krsna consciousness,
anyabhilasita-sunyam. Make all your material desires zero.
Visala: Thank you very much.
Prabhupada: That is Krsna conscious. You should only desire to serve
Krsna. (break) …clear or not?
[Above he was saying if we think “I can become like Krsna, then
you are not Krsna Conscious”, this means
hence this mentality means we are
other desires than to serve Krsna, which means
consciousness is easy to attain, only for a pure
devotee]
Visala: Very clear. Thank you very much.
Harikesa: What if a person doesn’t desire material enjoyment, but
still, there is so much dirt?
Prabhupada: Hm? Who is that person who has no material desires?
Harikesa: A person really wants to be Krsna conscious, but somehow or
another, so much dirts gets in the way.
Prabhupada: Yes. Dirt means it is not yet zero. I said that all
material desires should be made zero. Anyabhilasita-sunyam.
Harikesa: As soon as the desires completely change, then everything
else is purified.
Prabhupada: Yes. As Arjuna said, karisye vacana tava, nasto
mohah: “Now my illusion is over. I agree to act as you say.” This
is Krsna conscious. Nasto moha smrtir labdh tvat prasadan madhusudana.
(break) The moha is there. Moha means these desires are illusion, like
dreaming. In dream we see so many things. They are all false. In
dreaming I am seeing that somebody is coming to kill me but there is
nobody, but still, I am dreaming. This is called moha. So when one is
free from moha, then he’s Krsna conscious. The whole material world is
going on under such illusion. Therefore it is called maya. Hare Krsna.
Thank you. (end)
