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Aug 14 1971 London conversations

Guest (1): What about pleasures like listening to music?

Prabhupāda: Yes, we chant the glories of God.

Guest (1): Could you listen to other peoples’ music?

Prabhupāda: Huh? No. If he’s chanting the glories of God, we are very eager to hear him. That is our process. Or somebody’s chanting, somebody’s hearing. Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇu. Chanting and hearing about God, that is music.

Guest (1): Well, a Beethoven symphony, for example, could you listen to that?

Prabhupāda: Which one?

Revatīnandana: Beethoven’s symphony. He means classical Western music. They make some music.

Prabhupāda: But if it is glorification of God, we can hear. There is no objection.

Revatīnandana: But there may be no reference to God in it.

Prabhupāda: No, then we don’t hear. We reject.

Guest (1): Inspired by God, given by God.

Prabhupāda: Given by God is everything. That is another thing. Just like everything is government property. But do you like to go to the prisonhouse? We say everything belongs to government. We are not so liberal, that “Because everything belongs to government, therefore I shall go to the prisonhouse.”

Guest (2): I’m sorry, I didn’t get that.

Guest (1): I take everything is good because it belongs to God, but you do choose, in fact, or you wouldn’t choose to waste your time when you should be doing something else.

Prabhupāda: But for God’s cause we can go. Just like these boys are sometimes arrested and put into jail. That is God’s cause. But they are not prepared to go to the jail by pickpocketing. That is not their mission. They are executing God’s business and if somebody puts him into jail, “All right. It is God’s desire. That’s all.”

Revatīnandana: The point is that there must be direct connection with God. If God’s name is there, if God’s service is there, if God’s form is there, then we are interested.

Prabhupāda: Nirbandhe kṛṣṇa sambandhe. Everything must be related with God.

Guest (1): Well, if you’re relaxing, if you need to relax, and you sit and listen to some music, it doesn’t say praise God all the time, but in fact is, because it’s beautiful.

Prabhupāda: No, we don’t accept anything beautiful without God. Without God, everything is ugly to us. Everything ugly.

Guest (1): So you have to bless it by offering it to God first.

Prabhupāda: Yes, that is another thing.

Revatīnandana: Just like we have so many beautiful songs and melodies and everything. They’re very nice. And we sing these songs. They are glorifying the Lord. And we enjoy like that. Music is there, everything is there, but because it is directly in the devotional service of God, therefore there is this bhakti, there is this devotion there. Devotion to God. Without that, everything becomes void. Tasteless.

Guest (2): Can I get one point straight? Is the Beethoven symphony all right provided it is blessed as an object and a work of art. Is it then all right? Or is it not all right because it doesn’t use religious themes?

Haṁsadūta: Originally, music and art were employed only to glorify the Lord in the scripture and…

Prabhupāda: In Sāma-veda, Sāma-veda.

Haṁsadūta: Gradually, if you study our history, music history, God was left out. Just like you will see landscapes, and there’s nothing in there about God. It was left out. But originally the landscape, there was some depiction of the activities of God or His representative.

Guest (2): So a Beethoven symphony is not all right.

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“Thus for a devotee the identifier is equally a sinner, like the mischief-monger”….SP

BG 5.18—The humble sage, by virtue of true knowledge, sees with equal vision a learned and gentle brahmana, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste] .

Jan 18 1971

Prabhupāda: Sama-darśinaḥ means you have no distinction what is sin and what is...

Guest (1): Sama-darśinaḥ means to treat everyone as equal.

Prabhupāda: No, no, no. Sama darśinaḥ means there is no distinction between sin and virtue. That is sama-darśinaḥ. As soon as you see, “This is virtue, and this is sin,” it is not sama-darśinaḥ.

Guest (1): Virtue and sin become the same in sama-darśinaḥ.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is sama-darśinaḥ.

Guest (2): In other words, the sin does not remain sin any longer.

Prabhupāda: That is another thing. But he has no vision that “This is sin, and this is virtue.” That is sama-darśinaḥ. As soon as you make distinction, you are not sama-darśinaḥ.

BG 4.16–Even the intelligent are bewildered in determining what is action and what is inaction. Now I shall explain to you what action is, knowing which you shall be liberated from all sins.

Note–If we see some person (or devotee) as a wrong doer then we are also guilty of that same wrong act if we do not see the hand of God within those actions.

See last quote below…

SB 1.17.18–O greatest among human beings, it is very difficult to ascertain the particular miscreant who has caused our sufferings, because we are bewildered by all the different opinions of theoretical philosophers.

PURPORT-There are many theoretical philosophers in the world who put forward their own theories of cause and effect especially about the cause of suffering and its effect on different living beings. Generally there are six great philosophers: Kaṇāda, the author of Vaiśeṣika philosophy; Gautama, the author of logic; Patañjali, the author of mystic yoga; Kapila, the author of Sāṅkhyaphilosophy; Jaimini, the author of Karma-mīmāṁsā; and Vyāsadeva, the author of Vedānta-darśana.

Although the bull, or the personality of religion, and the cow, the personality of the earth, knew perfectly well that the personality of Kali was the direct cause of their sufferings, still, as devotees of the Lord, they knew well also that without the sanction of the Lord no one could inflict trouble upon them. According to the Padma Purāṇa, our present trouble is due to the fructifying of seedling sins, but even those seedling sins also gradually fade away by execution of pure devotional service. Thus even if the devotees see the mischief-mongers, they do not accuse them for the sufferings inflicted. They take it for granted that the mischief-monger is made to act by some indirect cause, and therefore they tolerate the sufferings, thinking them to be God-given in small doses, for otherwise the sufferings should have been greater.

Mahārāja Parīkṣit wanted to get a statement of accusation against the direct mischief-monger, but they declined to give it on the abovementioned grounds. Speculative philosophers, however, do not recognize the sanction of the Lord; they try to find out the cause of sufferings in their own way, as will be described in the following verses. According to Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī, such speculators are themselves bewildered, and thus they cannot know that the ultimate cause of all causes is the Supreme Lord, the Personality of Godhead.

…”Thus even if the devotees see the mischief-mongers, they do not accuse them for the sufferings inflicted. “

This is the conclusion of all of the above regarding misunderstandings between devotees. When bad things happen it is very easy to accuse the obvious one for some wrong doing. But that accusation means the accuser is just as guilty as the one who is the wrong doer. See below for the proof.

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Dec 21 1970 Surat conversations

Prabhupāda: No. They should make the citizens so nicely developed in their Kṛṣṇa consciousness that they should be self-dependent, self-satisfied. That is the ideal of civilization.

Yadubara: But America is so far from that.

Prabhupāda: Therefore it is not advancement, although they are very much proud of advancement. This is not sign of advancement. According to Bhagavad-gītā it is said, yasmin sthite guruṇāpi duḥkhena na vicālyate: [Bg. 6.20-23] “If one is situated in such a position that even in the greatest, gravest type of dangerous position, he is not agitated, he is not agitated, that is the real happiness.” Yasmin sthite guruṇāpi duḥkhena na vicālyate. These are the words, yasmin sthite: “Situated in such a position that although he is facing greatest danger, he is not agitated.” There is one instance. Not very long ago, say, about two hundred years ago there was a big zamindar. He was known as king in Krishnanagar. So he was charitably disposed. He went to a brāhmaṇa and asked him—he was a great learned scholar—”Can I help you any way?” And the pandit replied, “No. I don’t require your help. I am quite satisfied.” “How you are satisfied?” “Oh, my, these students, they bring some rice. So my wife boils that, and I have got this tamarind tree. I take some leaves and prepare some juice out of it. That is sufficient.” So he was satisfied. That’s all. But he was a learned scholar. Similarly, Canakya Pandit… You have perhaps heard. He was the greatest politician. He was prime minister of India. He was living in a cottage and just giving instruction. So that is India’s Vedic civilization. Everyone is satisfied, self-sufficient. And now in your country, oh, you have to attend office fifty miles off. And because you have to take this trouble, Kṛṣṇa has provided with car. You are thinking, “I am advanced.” You don’t think that “Although I have got car, I have to go fifty miles off from my home.” This is illusion. You are thinking, “I am advanced. I am happy. I have got this car.” This is illusion. Yes. Gaurasundara was going to maintain, and he drives fifty miles off, Honolulu. The poor fellow had to rise early in the morning. You see? And so much haste.(?) Therefore: “Gaurasundara, you better give up this job. Just depend on Kṛṣṇa.” So he has given up. What is this? Fifty miles going by motorcycle or motor car, how much tedious it is. But still, they are satisfied that “We are advanced.” And because they have many cars, therefore in your country always there is that (makes traffic noise), “sonh, sonh, sonh, sonh, sonh, sonh, sonh, sonh,” wherever I go.

Revatinandana: And more problems come after that.

Prabhupāda: Simply, wherever you go, (makes traffic noise) “sonh, sonh, sonh, sonh,” and “gonh, gonh, gonh, gonh, gonh.” Up in the sky, “gonh, gonh, gonh, gonh,” and in the street, “sonh, sonh…” And then, when digging, “gut-gut-gut-gut-gut-gut-gut-gut-gut!” (laughter) Is it not? Don’t you feel botheration. But they are thinking, “Oh, America is very much advanced in machine.” And when there is that garbage tank? “Ghon-ghon-ghon-ghon-ghon-ghon-ghon-ghon-ghon!” (laughter) So many sounds are going on, always. Eh? Of course, you have got very nice city, nice roads everywhere. But this trouble… You have created so many troubles. And there are news that one lady was a patient. She became mad for the sounds. And I think they are thinking very seriously how to stop all these sounds. Is it not?

Śyāmasundara: Especially they have these airplanes now.

Prabhupāda: Oh.

Śyāmasundara: They make such a tremendous sound that they break windows and everything else.

Prabhupāda: Now we are with Sambhu in Bombay. As soon as the aeroplane would come on top of the house it is just like thunderbolt. Yes. At least I was feeling like that. Vajrapa. [thunderbolt] You see? So this is called illusion. We are creating a civilization which is so much painful, but we are thinking that we are advanced. This is illusion. We are creating simply problems, and still, we are thinking that we are advanced. And Bhāgavata says that there is no problem. Tasyaiva hetoḥ prayateta kovido na labhyate yad bhramatām upary adhaḥ [SB 1.5.18]. You simply try for Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And then how I shall live? That, the answer, is tal labhyate duḥkhavad anyataḥ sukham. Just like you don’t aspire for miseries, but it comes upon you, it is forced upon you, similarly, happiness also will be forced upon you, whatever you are destined to receive. So don’t try for happiness or discarding distress. That will go on. You simply try for Kṛṣṇa consciousness, which, without your trying, it will never be fulfilled. You have to voluntarily try for Kṛṣṇa consciousness, revive it. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, sarva–dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. You do it—because you have to do it. Kṛṣṇa can force you to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. But He doesn’t do that. He doesn’t interfere with your independence. He says, “Do it.” Therefore you have to try for it, not for other things. Other things, already there are.

Some Conclusions--Another nice conversation with Prabhupada about kali yuga and all the tremendous noises it produces from its machines. Some people can understand and appreciate these comments about noise, but I suspect most are not in the least bothered or even conscious about the constant bombardment to their auditory system of machine noise. It is not until one moves OUT of these cities and lives in the countryside, where there is practically no noise that he or she can then appreciate what it means to have peaceful and noiseless living.

So what is the solution just to this problem?

April 25 1977 Bombay

My, this farming program, theoretically there is no comparison. But practically people are accustomed in different way. To bring them to the program it will take some time. Otherwise my program is assured happiness, happiness assurance, if they get… Have your own food grown. Keep cows. Have your own crops. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That goes for all over the world.

Prabhupāda: Don’t go to the city. That is my determination. The hellish city. In city nobody has got the opportunity for living in such comfortable place. It is all Kṛṣṇa’s mercy that we have got. Otherwise if you go to the Bombay city, even here, these pigeon holes, three small rooms… It is not expected that everyone will be able to live in such palatial building. That is not possible. Even they have no bathroom in Bombay. In the room, in the corner, there is a tap, and you have to go to the public well, latrine. This is the system. So whole family will take advantage of the corner tap and then have to go to public latrine. There is no bathroom.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No sewer system?

Prabhupāda: No, sewer system. [break] …each toilet for fifty men. They are in line in the same building. One after another you get chance. You have got dysentery, then it is… Then you…

►740524r2.rom Conversations … Yes, naturally. If this man is fed up with this industry, he can go back to village and produce his own food. But he is attached to this industrial activity because he is thinking that “We are getting more money for wine and woman and meat. Let me enjoy.” That is the perfect, imp… But if he chants Hare Krsna maha-mantra, his consciousness will be purified and he will be made not interested this kind of work. He will go back to village and produce food.

Final conclusion-if one is already chanting Hare Krsna mantra yet still living in the city, it could mean he or she is still making some serious offenses to this chanting Look at all 10 of these offenses and see where am I getting stuck up on this process? Maintaining material attachments? inattentive chanting? etc….

Hare Krsna

damaghosa das

below-looking out our temple room window-lots of cows rambling around back to their barn

and if you turn around from that same picture window, one will see some of the Deities at sunset yesterday evening–Thank you Srila Prabhupada for giving us this wonderful opportunity to live in the way you want, and to try to give it to others.

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[July 24,1969 – Letter to Pradyumna written from Los Angeles]

Namacarya Srila Haridas Thakur: Disappearance celebration Monday 20 Sept (Sridham Mayapur time)

As Prahlada Maharaja appeared in a family of demons and Hanuman appeared as a monkey, Shri Haridasa Thakura appeared amongst the lower caste. Haridasa had a handsome form with all aristocratic features. Highly intellectual, he won all debates in Sanskrit and philosophy. Yet, he never lost his temper. In his youth, he became famous for his extreme devotion and ascetism. Though born in a Muslim family, when he became a Vaishnava, even brahmanas would eagerly smear their bodies with the dust of his feet.

The Supreme Lord Anantadeva Himself praises Haridasa Thakura, “Even Lord Brahma and Lord Shiva always desire to associate with such Devotees as Haridasa. And the demigods desire to touch the transcendental body of Haridasa. Simply by saying his name, Haridasa, one will be promoted to Krishna’s abode.” (Caitanya Bhagavata).

Navadwipa was full of gross materialists and Kali worshipers guided by smarta brahmanas before Mahaprabhu began His sankirtana movement. The smartas forbid loud chanting by the Vaishnavas on the plea that “it might awaken Lord Vishnu, who would become angry and curse Navadwipa with a famine.” But it was Haridasa’s habit to loudly chant Hare Krishna while wandering along the Ganges bank. Every day before taking his one and only meal he would finish 192 rounds (300,000 Holy Names of Krishna).

One time a rascal brahmana challenged Haridasa Thakura.The brahmana said that the proper method is to chant Hare Krishna silently within one’s mind. Quoting the Vedas, Shrimad Bhagavatam, and Naradiya Purana, Haridasa conclusively proved that loud chanting of Krishna’s names gives one-hundred times more result than silent chanting. Yan-nama grhann akhilan, srotm atmanam evaca, sadyah punati. .. “Anyone who chants Your name purifies all who hear His chanting, as well as Himself.” (Shrimad Bhagavatam 10.34.17) Haridasa concluded with, “Which is better to feed yourself, or to feed yourself and simultaneously feed a thousand others?”

Some people mistakenly think, “Since Haridasa Thakura always chanted Hare Krishna he wasn’t relishing the mellows of Radha-Madhava’s pastimes.” Krishna’s name is a wish-fulfilling gem (nama cintamani) and the very embodiment of rasa (rasa vigraha). So, by purely chanting the Holy Names Haridasa Thakura definitely tasted the transcendental mellows of loving devotion to Radha-Madhava. Haridasa Thakura, the connoiseur of the Holy Name, taught everyone how to enter the rasa sastras through the door of Mahaprabhu’s mercy, received by purely land constantly chanting the Holy Names of Krishna.

One time a rascal brahmana challenged Haridasa Thakura.The brahmana said that the proper method is to chant Hare Krishna silently within one’s mind. Quoting the Vedas, Shrimad Bhagavatam, and Naradiya Purana, Haridasa conclusively proved that loud chanting of Krishna’s names gives one-hundred times more result than silent chanting. Yan-nama grhann akhilan, srotm atmanam evaca, sadyah punati. .. “Anyone who chants Your name purifies all who hear His chanting, as well as Himself.” (Shrimad Bhagavatam 10.34.17) Haridasa concluded with, “Which is better to feed yourself, or to feed yourself and simultaneously feed a thousand others?” (In the image: Harinaam Sankirtan Yagya, leading kirtan HG Madhava Prabhu, somewhere in Europe).

Feeling threatened by Haridasa Thakura’s conversion to Vaishnavism, the Muslim ruler arrested him. To enlighten the Kazi Haridasa said, “All living entities in creation are inspired by the Lord in the heart to act in different ways. People of different religions praise the Lord’s Holy Names and qualities according to the view of their scriptures. The Supreme Lord accepts everyone’s mood. If anyone shows malice towards another’s religion he actually shows malice to the Lord Himself, who is worshiped by that religion. Since God is one, that person becomes envious of the same Supreme Lord that he himself is worshiping.”

The governor grasped these words, but the Kazi (the local ruler) insisted that Haridasa make a choice: “Either give up your belief or die.”

Haridasa replied firmly, “If my body is hacked to pieces and even if I am killed–still I will keep chanting Hare Krishna.”

The infuriated Kazi ordered Haridasa Thakura publicly whipped to death. He was brutally beaten, dragged through twenty-two markets, and thrown in the Ganges. Absorbed in remembering Lord Hari, he miraculously survived by God’s grace. The Kazi, the brahman as, and his rivals ran to Haridasa. They gave Haridasa Thakura an enthusiastic welcome and begged forgiveness for their offenses. He forgave them and blessed them with devotion. Haridasa thought the ordeal was fit punishment for his having heard Vaisnava blasphemy from the mouth of the Kazi.

Prema-vilasa says Haridasa took diksa from Shri Advaita Acharya. Haridasa Thakura exerted immense influence from the start of Shri Chaitanya’s sankirtana movement. Teaming up with Lord Nityananda, he spread Krishna consciousness in Bengal. When Haridasa Thakura came to Jagannatha Puri Lord Chaitanya gave him a room in the garden next to His. Every day the Lord sent Prasadam to Haridasa. They also met regularly to discuss Krishna-katha.

While seeing Lord Chaitanya’s lotus face, holding His feet upon his chest, and chanting Shri Krishna Chaitanya, Haridasa left the world. Lord Chaitanya personally carried the body of Haridasa to the sea. And with His own hands buried him in the sand. Then Mahaprabhu begged alms for a festival to honor Haridasa Thakura’s departure. Lord Chaitanya paid tribute to His pure Devotee:

“Let us all sing the glories of Haridasa Thakura. Haridasa was the crest-jewel of the world. By his death the earth has lost its treasure. Out of His great mercy Krishna had given Me his association. And now He has taken him away. When Haridasa himself wished to leave the world I could not hold him back. Just like Bhismadeva, Haridasa gave up his life at his own will.” (Chaitanya-charitamrta Antya 11.93-98.)

The samadhi of Haridasa Thakura is located by the sea in Jagannatha Puri.

There are so many things to know but these things are not discussed nowadays. Very cheap thing: “You can do whatever you like. You simply meditate and become God, that’s all.” So much cheating is going on everywhere, all over the world. So-called yogis, they go, “Oh, you meditate. You are… And as soon as you realize, you are God, within six months.” No. Therefore in this age the only method… It is a concession to the fallen people of this world, this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. They ‘ll not be able to follow all the regulative principles; therefore they must commit all kinds of abominable activities. Under the circumstances the śāstra or God has given a concession that you simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra and gradually you will be elevated to the highest position of spiritual life. Other things you cannot follow. You are already fallen. So you take to this process of chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra without any offense. And in order to save yourself from the offenses, a little austerity that you cannot have illicit sex life. Why should you have illicit sex life? Everyone’s need is sex life. Āhāra-nidrā–bhaya-maithunam. These are the bodily needs. So śāstra has sanctioned, “All right. You can live peacefully by married life and have sex life for children, good children.” That is allowed. But why should you have illicit sex life? What is this? Irresponsible life. “I shall not take responsibility of family life, and I shall go on as so-called bachelor and have illicit life.” But that is not good. That is garhitāṁ. Na sādhu mānye: “This is not good.” This is the advice of Vedic literature. Ultimately you’ll suffer. You are thinking at the present moment that you are avoiding suffering because family life is very responsible life. So if you think that family life is responsible, yes, it is responsible life. If you don’t take, if you cannot take the responsibility, then remain as a brahmacārī. Why should you marry? Yes. If you practice brahmācārya, then you become free, seventy-five percent freedom immediately. But you do not want to undergo the austerities of a brahmacārī, and still, you want to remain as an unmarried man. Everywhere in the world it is going on. This is increasing. That is stated here, sadācāra. Naṣṭa-sadācāro dāsyāḥ saṁsarga–dūṣitaḥ. The illicit connection with man and woman will certainly make him abominable, fallen down to this abominable life. I… When I was… In my younger days, when I was in business, so I was to take agency one of big company, Smith’s Transit Company. So they had to… I had to give some guarantee of my honesty. So in that program the question was whether married or unmarried. Because unmarried man mostly become dishonest. So that inquiry was there, “Whether he is married?” Married man cannot be dishonest because he has got responsibility. If he is arrested he will be insulted in his family. His family members will be in difficulty. Therefore he does not commit dishonesty very easily unless it is absolutely… But that should not be done. But unmarried man, because he has got no responsibility, he commits all kinds of sinful activity. That’s a fact. Therefore in our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement we do not allow such illicit sex life, no. You must get yourself married. And practically, we are seeing, that is very effective and that is going on nicely. All right. (Hindi)

Some Conclusions–I often think if I have to come back again then please Lord Krsna let me remain single and celibate- for life as a married man is so troublesome. And as Prabhupada says above if you can do so you are already 75% of the way back to Godhead.

June 28 1976 discussion of different philosophies

They have no conception of God, and they are preaching religion. What is that religion? That will be misused. Religion means dharmaṁ tu sāksād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19]. Religion means God’s order. If there is no God, where is religion? This is going on. They have no conception of God. What is God they do not know, and professing some religion. How long it will go on artificially? It will deteriorate. That has become the present condition. They have no idea of God, and how they will know what is the order of God? And religion means order of God. Just like law means order of the state. Law means order of the state. So if there is no state, where is the order? You can manufacture your own order. That is going on. There is no conception of God. We have got clear conception of God. Here is God, Kṛṣṇa. And He’s giving orders. We accept it. And it is clear religion. And if there is no God, no conception of God, no order of God, then where is religion? If there if no government, then where is law? Outlaw. Everyone is outlaw. That is going on. Ask any religious system what is the conception of God. Can anyone tell clearly? Nobody can say. We shall immediately say, veṇuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣaṁ barhāvataṁsam asitāmbuda-sundarāṅgam [Bs. 5.30]. Aṅgāni yasya sakalendriya-vṛttimanti… immediately description, “Here is God.” Then there is religion. And if there is no God, where is religion? Bogus. Therefore declining. They have no conception of God, and therefore there is no understanding of religion. Therefore it is declining. So this is the cause of declining. And because it is declining, human being becoming more animals. Animal means there will be no memory. A dog comes… Here is some eatables. He comes. I say, “Hut!” He goes away. Again he comes. No memory. So when this memory is reducing that means human quality is reduced. So in the Kali-yuga these eight things will reduce. That means they are becoming like cats and dogs.

Some Conclusions-I think one of the worst things I see in present day devotees is their attachment to cats and dogs. Mostly dogs. Back in the “day” nobody would ever consider having a so called pet dog. Now today practically all of them have a dog.

I actually had one before I moved into the temple, and after seeing Srila Prabhupada for the first time, when I got back home, my dog was gone, along with my so called “girl friend”. Krsna took them both away to make surrendering to Him much easier.

In the above conversation Prabhupada makes a nice point about the memory of a dog and since it has basically none, it keeps coming back for your food even though you say Hut-get away. So the more people (and devotees) are losing memory of God the more dog like they are becoming. First quality of a dog is unclean-untouchable.

And if cleanliness is next to Godliness, then how having a dog can this happen?

Hare Krsna

damaghosa das

ps-I am sure to get some negative feedback from this one!

SB 4.22–When one deviates from his original consciousness,he loses the capacity to remember his previous position or recognize his present one.When remembrance is lost, all knowledge acquired is based on a false foundation. When this occurs, learned scholars considerthat the soul is lost.

SB 7.14.11 P Ideal Family Life 63694/530501 Although inmodern society the dog is accepted as part of one’s household paraphernalia,in the Vedic system of household life the dog is untouchable;as mentioned here, a dog may be maintained with proper food, but it cannot be allowed to enter one’s house, what to speak of the bedroom

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These links go with the article about the recent ritvik fire yajna

Ritvik Debate Links

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXTW_zkCEw0

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKO_i_EySUc

Dear Anuttama dasa

Pranams

All glories to Srila Prabhupada

Recently I received news that iskcon is now holding and giving guru seminar classes for its “gurus”. Just when I thought it could not get any worse, and now this new bit of more bad news and concocted philosophy from the GBC of Iskcon.

Anybody who has read Srila Prabhupadas books even at a cursory level, will understand that he tells us and shows us from the sastra (scriptures) that a bona fide spiritual master is no less than a liberated soul and has been deputed by the Supreme Lord to take disciples.

What does it take to be a liberated soul? That is explained in the scriptures as one who is free from the four defects-imperfect senses, illusions, making mistakes and the propensity to cheat.

So unless one possesses these basic four items, he cannot be a liberated soul, which means he cannot give perfect knowledge, nor can he even save himself, what to speak of others. And then to give diksa-initiation as a spiritual master, one must also be a pure devotee of the Lord on top of that, which Krsna tells us in His Bhagavad Gita is very very rare to find such a mahatma.

BG 7.14 purport....Another meaning of guṇa is rope; it is to be understood that the conditioned soul is tightly tied by the ropes of illusion. A man bound by the hands and feet cannot free himself-he must be helped by a person who is unbound. Because the bound cannot help the bound, the rescuer must be liberated. Therefore, only Lord Kṛṣṇa, or His bona fide representative the spiritual master, can release the conditioned soul. Without such superior help, one cannot be freed from the bondage of material nature.

And yet in iskcon it has now become their common practice to even arrogantly admit it is not they who are releasing/liberating their so called disciples from birth and death but it is Srila Prabhupada himself.

So any reasonably intelligent person would then ask, what do we need these people for if they admit they are not liberated and furthermore and worse still, cannot free their so called disciples from the cycle of birth and death?

Reasonable question, right? Not for these people in iskcon who have lost all their intelligence that Prabhupada originally gave to them. Here is how that happened...

SB 4.22 Translation-–When one deviates from his original consciousness, he loses the capacity to remember his previous position or recognize his present one. When remembrance is lost, all knowledge acquired is based on a false foundation. When this occurs, learned scholars consider that the soul is lost.

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Srila Prabhupada’s Men, by Haripada dasa
Srila Prabhupada’s men are people who have decided to use their lives to please Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada’s men are by nature meek and humble, but when they see that there are people who offend Srila Prabhupada they are like lightning bolts. In the same way that drug addicts cannot do without their drug, Srila Prabhupada’s men cannot live without reading Srila Prabhupada’s books every day. Srila Prabhupada’s men are always making plans for people to be happy in Krishna or God consciousness. Srila Prabhupada’s men are the smartest people because they are always chanting Hare Krishna. Srila Prabhupada’s men love even their enemies. Srila Prabhupada’s men never engage in sense gratification. Srila Prabhupada’s men are the only people who have overcome lower taste by finding great satisfaction in higher taste.
Srila Prabhupada’s men are assured of their return home, their return to Godhead. Srila Prabhuada’s men use everything for the service of Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga. Srila Prabhupada’s men are obedient to Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. Srila Prabhupada’s men have no time for maya. Srila Prabhupada’s men understand and accept that Srila Prabhupada is the Acharya through his books for the next 10,000 years. Srila Prabhupada’s men establish relationships with other devotees based on spiritual love and trust. Srila Prabhupada’s men are very careful to offend any moving or immobile living entity. Srila Prabhupada’s men have found a taste in being the servants of others. Srila Prabhupada’s men have decided that their love is for Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada’s men understand and accept that many unauthorized people have used Srila Prabhupada for a living.
Srila Prabhupada’s men understand and accept that Srila Prabhupada is our direct link to the guru-parampara. Srila Prabhupada’s men understand and accept that Srila Prabhupada is the Jagat-guru the guru of the universe and to all devotees who have accepted Srila Prabhupada as the way, the truth and the life offer their respectful obeisances. Srila Prabhupada’s men establish a friendly relationship and see all the devotees who have accepted Srila Prabhupada as their Gurudeva as godbrothers. Srila Prabhupada’s men obey Srila Prabhupada’s order to initiate on his behalf, they don’t speculate.

Hare Krishna Society

SP was asked if it was OK to listen to Beethoven music?

“Thus for a devotee the identifier is equally a sinner, like the mischief-monger”….SP

How noise affects human beings–SP

Bhadra Purnima special — online distribution of Original First Edition Srimad Bhagavatam

Srila Haridas Thakur.. Disappearance Monday 20 Sept

remain bramacari and your 75% of your way back to Home–SP

As people (and devotees) lose memory of God they become more dog like–SP

ritviks debate video links

letter to Anuttama das Iskcon communications GBC minister/guru-no reply back

Srila Prabhupadas Men by Hari pada das