Hare Krishna Society

Hare Krsna-we shall try to discuss the very important subject of—offenses to pure chanting

Why is it that we devotees have such a hard time actually hearing the Holy Name or even each other for that matter?? The saying goes…”you can always tell a devotee, ……you just cant tell him anything”

Why do we devotees make verbal offenses over and over again to each other and think nothing of it? Isn’t the first offense to chanting Hare Krsna maha mantra not to blaspheme or unnecessarily criticize the devotees of the Lord? Lord Caitanya, who, according to the sastra, is God Himself, tells us that anybody who chants only once the Holy Names- is a Vaisnava.

Madhya 15.106-Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu replied, “Whoever chants the holy name of Kṛṣṇa just once is worshipable and is the topmost human being.

PURPORT-Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura says that simply by chanting the holy name of Kṛṣṇa once, a person becomes perfect. Such a person is understood to be a Vaiṣṇava.

March 10 1976 mayapur

Prabhupāda: No, you should always remember that either gṛhastha or brahmacārī or sannyāsī, nobody can strictly follow all the rules and regulations of them. In the Kali-yuga it is not possible. So if I find simply fault with you, and if you find fault with me, then it will be factional, and our real business will be hampered. Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu has recommended that hari-nāma, chanting HareKṛṣṇa mantra, should be very rigidly performed, which is common for everyone: gṛhastha, vānaprastha or sannyāsī. They should always chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra.Then everything will be adjusted. Otherwise it is impossible to advance. We shall be complicated with the details only. This is called niyamāgrahaḥ. I think I have explained.

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Regarding propaganda against animal slaughter in BTG. Please do not print any picture showing how a cow is being murdered in our BTG. This will pollute the whole atmosphere. We are not meant for moving anyone’s sentiment against animal slaughter, we are neither Buddhists or Jains, whose main propaganda is against animal slaughter. Even the so-called vegetarians who do not take Krishna prasadam are as much sinful as the non-vegetarians. Our propaganda is different, to make people Krishna Conscious, which automatically makes them sympathetic against any kind of animal slaughter. According to Srimad-Bhagavatam, one living entity subsists on the life of other living entities, either vegetarian or non-vegetarian. But we are neither of them. We are not vegetarian nor non-vegetarian. We are transcendental. We are concerned with Krishna Prasadam. Try to popularize Krishna Prasadam as you have already done. People will naturally become vegetarian without any ghastly propaganda.

The pictures of a mahajana or similar pictures for propagating the Bhagavata conclusion should be our objective. Other pictures, there are so many subject matters, just like we follow 4 principles, say for example, illicit sex life, we can publish so many pictures of illicit sex life, but that will not advance our cause. Similarly we may make propaganda against animal slaughter, but that will not advance our real cause. KC is based on pure understanding, not by any sentimental provocation. People must be intelligent enough to catch up this KC movement without being carried away by any sentimental wave. We should always remember that we do not belong to any group like the karmis, jnanis, or yogis. We belong to pure devotional service group, following the footprints of great mahajanas. Our purpose should be that we are in one side and all others they are on the other side. We deprecate everyone, even one who is against animal slaughter. In the Caitanya-caritamrta, it is clearly said that there are two classes of activities. Pious and impious. We do not favor any one of them. Neither we favor any philosophical speculation, we simply stick to Krishna, and wish to render loving transcendental service unto Him. That should be our main objective, and the policy of BTG must be pursued on this line of action. I hope you will understand me rightly. Everyone who is not a KC person is a butcher. Even the so-called pious man, who is not in KC, he is also a butcher. Because he is killing his own self. So in our view, everyone is butcher, and everyone is thief also, because he is enjoying Krishna’s property. So how we can discriminate who is honest and dishonest and butcher and not butcher? Our only test is how one is taking to KC: Even a so-called butcher comes we welcome to chant Hare Krishna.

Letters : 1968 Correspondence : November : Letter to: Rayarama — Los Angeles 19 November, 1968 : 68-11-19

SB 3.25.40 purport-

A pure devotee does not pray to the Lord for liberation from this material bondage. Actually, the pure devotee never thinks that he is fit for liberation. Considering his past life and his mischievous activities, he thinks that he is fit to be sent to the lowest region of hell. If in this life I am trying to become a devotee, this does not mean that in my many past lives I was one-hundred-percent pious. That is not possible. A devotee, therefore, is always conscious of his real position. Only by his full surrender to the Lord, by the Lord’s grace, are his sufferings made shorter.

….A pure devotee is not anxious to elevate himself in his next birth. He has already given up that sort of hope. In any life in which one is born, as a householder, or even as an animal, one must have some children, some resources or some possessions, but a devotee is not anxious to possess anything. He is satisfied with whatever is obtainable by God’s grace. He is not at all attached to improving his social status or improving the status of education of his children. He is not neglectful—he is dutiful—but he does not spend too much time on the upliftment of temporary household or social life. He fully engages in the service of the Lord, and for other affairs he simply spares as much time as absolutely necessary(yathārham upayuñjataḥ).

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SB 3.24.40 purport–Kardama Muni followed the Vedic injunction that no one in sannyāsa life can have any kind of relationship with women. But what is the position of a woman who is left by her husband? She is entrusted to the son, and the son promises that he will deliver his mother from entanglement. A woman is not supposed to take sannyāsa.So-called spiritual societies concocted in modern times give sannyāsa even to women, although there is no sanction in the Vedic literature for a woman’s accepting sannyāsa. Otherwise, if it were sanctioned, Kardama Muni could have taken his wife and given her sannyāsa. The woman must remain at home. She has only three stages of life: dependency on the father in childhood, dependency on the husband in youth and, in old age, dependency on the grown-up son, such as Kapila. In old age the progress of woman depends on the grown-up son. The ideal son, Kapila Muni, is assuring His father of the deliverance of His mother so that His father may go peacefully without anxiety for his good wife.

Some Conclusions to the above—Over the past 45 years I personally have seen so many concoctions to the teachings of Srila Prabhupada given by him orally, written in his books or in his letters to disciples. This one about women not to take sannyasa, I had personal experience by one female disciple of Srila Prabhupada who told and wrote to me that she had “taken sannyasa” to which I replied this is not proper for a woman to do such a thing. She ignored me and just did what she wanted and called herself “swami”.

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Hare Krsna-

Below we have one purport and one conversation in which Srila Prabhupada outlines the future for his movement regarding sannyas, householders and sex life. Prabhupada tried it out with his new fledgling disciples, to try and spread Caitanya Mahaprabhus movement worldwide. it did not work, so he stopped giving sannyasa in 1977. These things a bona fide Acarya can do, and nobody else.

Hare Krsna

damaghosa das

SB 5.6.7 purport-Quoting from the Brahma-vaivarta Purāṇa, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu said: aśvamedhaṁ gavālambhaṁ sannyāsaṁ pala-paitṛkam devareṇa sutotpattiṁ kalau pañca vivarjayet [Cc. Ādi 17.164]

“In this age of Kali, five acts are forbidden: the offering of a horse in sacrifice, the offering of a cow in sacrifice, the acceptance of the order of sannyāsa, the offering of oblations of flesh to the forefathers, and a man’s begetting children in his brother’s wife.” The word pala-paitṛkam refers to an offering of flesh in oblations to forefathers. Formerly, such an offering was allowed, but in this age it is forbidden.

Jan 7 1977 Bombay conversation…

Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. ..This sex life in this material world is so strong, even in the heavenly planets. Big, big ṛṣis. Sex life with animals also there is… Sex life is so strong. Man cohabiting with animal. It makes blind. Vyāsadeva made one of her (his) students pregnant, what to speak of ourselves. Vyāsadeva was born, Satyavatī. She was low class. Although she was born by a king, but her mother was a low-class fisherwoman. And the fisherman raised her as daughter. And Parāśara Muni became attracted. And Vyāsadeva was born. Sex affairs, just see, in the highest circle. Bṛhaspati, the spiritual master of the devatās, he became so much mad for his brother’s wife who was pregnant, and forcibly they had sex. Just see. These are examples. Brahmā became attracted with his daughter. Lord Śiva became attracted with the beauty of Mohinī-mūrti, even in the presence of his wife. So this sex life can be controlled only by becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious. Otherwise there is no… The Bhāgavata has discussed all this because in this material world there is no escape unless we become Kṛṣṇa conscious, from the sex impulse. It is not possible. Yad-avadhi mama cetaḥ kṛṣṇa… When one is fully Kṛṣṇa conscious, then he’ll reject all this nonsense: “What is this?” Bhavati mukha-vikāraḥ suṣṭhu. He’ll spite (spit): “Eh! Get out. Is that enjoyment?” It is possible for a Kṛṣṇa conscious… No other can do it. And that is the bondage. He’ll have to work hard for maintaining sex issues. And so long you are bound up by the karmas, you have to accept another body and then continue. Who knows this how we are bound up and conditioned? If you talk in the modern society they will laugh: “What nonsense this man is… ‘By sex life one becomes conditioned.’ ” They cannot understand. Hare Kṛṣṇa… (japa) This should be strictly outlawed, no more sannyāsīs. And those sannyāsīs who have fallen, you get them married, live like a… No more this showbottle, cheating. It is very ludicrous. Even there is a promise that “We shall not fall down again,” that is also not believable. What is the use? Better go and speak philosophy in your gṛhastha dress, not this dress, but you have nice coat, pants, gentleman. Who says no? I never said. Rather I shall be glad to see that up-to-date gentlemen with tilaka and śikhā are speaking. That is very prestigious everywhere. Why this false dress? What is the wrong to become gṛhastha? I was gṛhastha, pākā caliber gṛhastha. My Guru Mahārāja was brahmacārī, This is ever… Just see his character. Caitanya Mahāprabhu was gṛhastha, but when He took sannyāsa: “Oh, I am now…” For sober person. That is wanted. That is ideal. He married twice. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura married twice. Caitanya Mahāprabhu married twice. What is the wrong there? One has to become pure devotee, that’s all. Other things, of course, are circumstantially favorable, either a gṛhastha, brahmacārī or vānaprastha or sannyāsa. Kibā vipra kibā śūdra nyāsī kene naya, yei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā sei ‘guru’ haya [Cc. Madhya 8.128]. You must know the science of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That makes you guru, not this dress.

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One morning a Jehovah’s witness came to my house. I just came back from the morning program at the Vancouver temple. When I opened the door he could see I was a Hare Krishna devotee with tilak, neckbeads, dhoti / kurta etc.

He looked me up and down and proceeded anyway by saying “I want to recite just one paragraph from the Bible for you, is that alright?” I said sure, go ahead. He said I will just flip the pages and whatever verse I land my finger on will be meant for you!”

I said “great, let’s hear it!” He flipped the pages, landed on this paragraph and read it to me with enthusiasm:
“The fifth angel blew his trumpet. And I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to the earth, and the key to the shaft* of the abyss was given to him. He opened the shaft* of the abyss, and smoke ascended out of the shaft* like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun was darkened, also the air, by the smoke of the shaft. And locusts came out of the smoke onto the earth, and authority was given to them, the same authority that the scorpions of the earth have. They were told not to harm the vegetation of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads (Revelation 9)

I said “wait, stop right there!” He then got nervous when he looked up at me. I was smiling as I pointed to my chandan tilak on my forehead and said “where’s yours? I think this verse was meant for you, not me! This is God’s arrangement that you opened to that particular verse! You must get this seal of God on your forehead too before it’s too late!”
He stammered and tried to explain it didn’t really mean that literally. I said no, you should take your holy book literally! He gave up, with a half amused, half confused look on his face and walked away shaking his head mumbling something. I’m sure it gave him something to think about.

Visnu Das

Jan 7 1977 Bombay

Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. What he will do, more payment? (?) Then he will kill. This sex life in this material world is so strong, even in the heavenly planets. Big, big ṛṣis. Sex life with animals also there is... Sex life is so strong. Man cohabiting with animal. It makes blind. Vyāsadeva made one of her (his) students pregnant, what to speak of ourselves. Vyāsadeva was born, Satyavatī. She was low class. Although she was born by a king, but her mother was a low-class fisherwoman. And the fisherman raised her as daughter. And Parāśara Muni became attracted. And Vyāsadeva was born. Sex affairs, just see, in the highest circle. Bṛhaspati, the spiritual master of the devatās, he became so much mad for his brother’s wife who was pregnant, and forcibly they had sex. Just see. These are examples. Brahmā became attracted with his daughter. Lord Śiva became attracted with the beauty of Mohinī-mūrti, even in the presence of his wife. So this sex life can be controlled only by becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious. Otherwise there is no… The Bhāgavata has discussed all this because in this material world there is no escape unless we become Kṛṣṇa conscious, from the sex impulse. It is not possible. Yad-avadhi mama cetaḥ kṛṣṇa… When one is fully Kṛṣṇa conscious, then he’ll reject all this nonsense: “What is this?” Bhavati mukha-vikāraḥ suṣṭhu. He’ll spite (spit): “Eh! Get out. Is that enjoyment?” It is possible for a Kṛṣṇa conscious… No other can do it. And that is the bondage. He’ll have to work hard for maintaining sex issues. And so long you are bound up by the karmas, you have to accept another body and then continue. Who knows this how we are bound up and conditioned? If you talk in the modern society they will laugh: “What nonsense this man is… ‘By sex life one becomes conditioned.’ ” They cannot understand. Hare Kṛṣṇa… (japa) This should be strictly outlawed, no more sannyāsīs. And those sannyāsīs who have fallen, you get them married, live like a… No more this showbottle, cheating. It is very ludicrous. Even there is a promise that “We shall not fall down again,” that is also not believable. What is the use? Better go and speak philosophy in your gṛhastha dress, not this dress, but you have nice coat, pants, gentleman. Who says no? I never said. Rather I shall be glad to see that up-to-date gentlemen with tilaka and śikhā are speaking. That is very prestigious everywhere. Why this false dress? What is the wrong to become gṛhastha? I was gṛhastha, pākā caliber gṛhastha. My Guru Mahārāja was brahmacārī, This is ever… Just see his character. Caitanya Mahāprabhu was gṛhastha, but when He took sannyāsa: “Oh, I am now…” For sober person. That is wanted. That is ideal. He married twice. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura married twice. Caitanya Mahāprabhu married twice. What is the wrong there? One has to become pure devotee, that’s all. Other things, of course, are circumstantially favorable, either a gṛhastha, brahmacārī or vānaprastha or sannyāsa. Kibā vipra kibā śūdra nyāsī kene naya, yei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā sei ‘guru’ haya [Cc. Madhya 8.128]. You must know the science of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That makes you guru, not this dress. So what you are thinking of American program? Do it seriously. Balavanta is very expert. And all of you are expert. And do it seriously and systematically, not change the position, this side and this, change. That’s not good. That makes fickle. Strength of mind wanted.

Subject: Sri Kaliya Krsna Dasa Tirobhava tithi (disappearance day)

Monday, December 3, 2018 Sri Kaliya Krsna dasa tirobhava Tithi (disappearance day – Mayapura, West Bengal, Bharat Bhumi time])

Srila Prabhupada glorifies Kaliya Krsna dasa

compiled by Yasoda nandana dasa

His birthplace is in the Bardhaman (Burdwan) district of West Bengal within a short distance from the Railway station at Katwa, at the village called Akai Hatta. This village is situated on the old king’s road between Navadwipa and Katwa. Akai Hatta is a very small village. – See more at: https://gaudiyahistory.com/sri-kaliya-krishna-dasa/#sthash.RXGsrlVw.dpuf

kalah shri-krishnadasa sa yo lavangah sakha vraje

In Vraja, Kala Krishna Das was Krishna’s cowherd friend named Lavanga.
(Gaura-ganoddesha-dipika 132)

Kaliya Krishna Das was known throughout the three worlds. One can attain Gauracandra through remembrance of him.
(Chaitanya Bhagavat 3.5.740)

Kala Krishna Das was the best of the Vaishnavas. He knew nothing other than Nityananda Prabhu’s lotus feet.
(Chaitanya Charitamrita 1.11.37)

His birthplace is in the Bardhaman (Burdwan) district of West Bengal within a short distance from the Railway station at Katwa, at the village called Akai Hatta. This village is situated on the old king’s road between Nabadwipa and Katwa. Akai Hatta is a very small village

What follows are some words and video presentations about Sukadeva das, what he did for his spiritual master Srila Prabhupada, his kirtans, his Salagram Silas and loving memories by some local devotees and his two sons during our memorial service on Dec 2, 2018 in Snohomish Wash at Sila Puri Ashram

Hare Krsna to all

Pranams

All glories to Srila Prabhupada and His Grace Sukadeva das. I have compiled below first some letters Sukadev wrote while he was struggling greatly to establish a temple in Alburquerque New Mexico USA around 2010. It is interesting to note that just as Srila Prabhupada gave up a very comfortable situation for himself at Radha Damodar temple in Vrndavana India to go out into the materialistic world and preach, so too did Sukadev give up a comfortable situation while living at the LA temple in California for 5 years to put himself out on the frontline of preaching and trying to establish a temple for Srila Prabhupada-while Sukadev was at the advanced age of around 60 years old, when most of us would be satisfied to lay around on a couch and eat potato chips instead. He and his wife went there, and well you can just read what he wrote about what happened to him and wife along that way.

Hare Krsna

damaghosa das

Here below first, are some video clips from youtube and facebook of our memorial service for Sukadeva das

https://youtu.be/Ody-OFau0C4

https://youtu.be/U5ZYR4qG5ac

https://youtu.be/nkfHKdr6iv4

https://www.facebook.com/kanhaiyadasanudas/videos/10217787713108003/?fref=%2Freqs.php&__tn__=%2Cd-Z-R&eid=ARD1a5fcfTWpWjS8Y3q5qWzCAgizOXe0aqKBPAmZW8dh0v-5su9y44rj9mBdPzAJkUzJlT4U3ugXJOSn

https://www.facebook.com/kanhaiyadasanudas/videos/10217786878527139/?fref=%2Freqs.php&__tn__=%2Cd-Z-R&eid=ARD1a5fcfTWpWjS8Y3q5qWzCAgizOXe0aqKBPAmZW8dh0v-5su9y44rj9mBdPzAJkUzJlT4U3ugXJOSn

Now we begin the series of letters Sukadev wrote describing his last 10 years of preaching in New Mexico USA, and asking some old friends for donations to keep the temple doors open, to help pay for past due electricity bills, to help him fix his broken down car so he could go on sankirtan, and other preaching engagements.

Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 7:11 PM

My Dear Prabhu’s,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada !My name is Sukadeva das and I have been trying to become a humble servant of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami for the last 41 years. Prabhupada always wanted a full time temple, opened 7 days a week, in New Mexico. There have been temples in Santa Fe and Albuquerque, but there is no permanent full time temple at present.

By Srila Prabhupada’s mercy, I am now preaching full time in Albuquerque, even though I am living in my car and a motel room. Hare Nama Sankirtan is performed regularly and books are being distributed also. I am giving classes at the University of New Mexico.

I have found a storefront on Nob Hill, which is adjacent to the University. The landlord is agreeable to give me a years lease provided that I can give him the required move in costs. I have been in Albuquerque for 4 months and have no regular income to acquire or support the temple. I am humble requesting and asking anyone who can give assistance for the $3,000 start up costs, or any donation towards this amount to establish a full time temple.

There has been good response from students and the general mass of people. A regular temple will give those interested an opportunity to see the Deity, hear Srila Prabhupadas’ Srimad Bhagawatam and Bhagavad Gita As It Is, and to taste Bhagawat Prasadam. If these activities take place, along with Krishna Kirtan, success for Srila Prabhupada’s mission in New Mexico, the land of enchantment, will be fulfilled.

I have had to sleep in my car and in church parking lots to establish this temple, but I am not in the least discouraged. Many devotees have sent much encouragement for this difficult assignment and I am enlivened without end.

Please help as Prabhupada and Krishna dictates within your heart.
Sukadeva das

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Sri Bhugarbha Goswami Tirobhava Tithi [disappearance day]
Sri Kasisvara Pandita Tirobhava Tithi [disappearance day]
Wednesday, November 21, 2018 [Mayapura, West Bengal, India time]

Srila Prabhupada explains the exalted position of Sri Bhugarbha Goswami and Sri Kasisvara Goswami
compiled by Yasoda nandana dasa Bhugarbha Goswami’s samadhi (shrine) in the courtyard of the Radha-Damodara temple in Vrindavan