Jan 15 1974 Hawaii

Prabhupāda: They are rascals. Therefore I always say, “Kick them on their face with your shoes, so-called scientists.” “Accident.” There is no question of accident. Mūḍha. Therefore they have been described in the Bhagavad-gītā as mūḍhāḥ, rascals, narādhama. Narādhama, the lowest of the mankind. Because they got this opportunity to appreciate the work of Kṛṣṇa, but they avoid it, they are narādhama. No, they are so big, big graduate, scientists, and…” māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ [Bg. 7.15]. Their real knowledge is taken away, simply childish proposing something, so-called scientists. Real knowledge is to see everywhere Kṛṣṇa, mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa–carācaram [Bg. 9.10]. The supervision of Kṛṣṇa. That is real knowledge. Not only to appreciate, but to explain it also. Kaniṣṭha–adhikārī will appreciate, but cannot explain how it is being done. Madhyama–adhikārī will explain. That is preacher. And uttama–adhikārī, he thinks that everyone knows, everyone knows. He does not see that somebody knows, somebody does not know. He sees everyone knows. That is uttama–adhikārī. He does not make any distinction.

Some Conclusions–Srila Prabhupada mentions above one of the differences between kanistha and madhyama adhikari devotees. The materialistic devotee cannot explain in detail how things are going on but the madhyama can explain because he is more advanced in many ways, chiefly  in intelligence.

So when one investigates this book change issue, we have to see who has gone deeply into the problem and has shown the best and most convincing evidence. And  the best evidence comes from Srila Prabhupada himself in quoted statements.

Then we can make a logical and without  passion, or arrogance  or name calling —conclusion as to which version of the SB sets is the best.

We must be cool headed not hot headed. As Prabhupada often said, when you lose your temper and get angry, you lose the debate!

Hare Krsna

damaghosa das

Amar Puri writes:

Dear Learned Readers,

It is the argument, logic. JITARATI PRABHU and the supporters of the Red Set of SB.  should continue. And to become angry and to go away, that means defeat.

Since they know that their nonsense cannot be upheld, therefore,  they resort to Ad Hominem attacks. malign character. Their OWN character is vulgar i.e. promoting and protecting the UNAUTHORIZED – CHANGED BOOKS printed and financed by Shriman Jatarati das for his personal vested interest, so, they use vulgar language on others.  It is that simple

Allow me plese to quote ;  Srila Prabhupada did not care for these sorts of barking and bickering :  

” Let the dogs bark, the caravan will pass.”

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Prabhupāda:So many agitators came and gone, but the Vedic process will go on. Let the dogs bark, the caravan will pass.

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Srila Prabhupada speaks – “If I have written one book, my words are my meaning.
Why you should give meaning? I shall kick on your face.”
Prabhupāda: Majority or minority, it doesn’t matter. But why you should take Bhagavad-gītā to establish your rascal theories? That means you are cheating.

Hare Krishna, here are a few quotes from Srila Prabhupada’s instructions that clearly explain the following:a.) What is speculation?b.) How is the Gita misinterpreted?c.) How should the Gita be preached?d.) Mission of Caitanya Mahaprabhue.) Criticism of making compromise in philosophy for personal gainf.) Offense of disobedience to the order of Gurug.) Srila Prabhupada’s explanation to why he presented the Bhagavad Gita “As It Is”h.) Importance of reading the Gita “As It Is” with the guidance of a bona fide Gurui.) Getting association with Krsna by reading Bhagavad Gita
1.Paramahaṁsa: My question is: A pure devotee, when he comments Bhagavad-gītā, someone who never sees him physically, but he just comes in contact with his commentary, explanation, is this the same thing?
Prabhupāda: Yes. You can associate with Kṛṣṇa by reading Bhagavad-gītā. And these saintly persons, they have given their explanations, comments. So where is the difficulty? Everyone is helping you.[Morning Walk — June 11, 1974, Paris]——————————2.

Dear Learned Readers,

The Conclusion of allegations about the LIES and the CHEATING in Printing of the adulterated – changed books (the Red Set of 10 SB. as Original ) promoted by Jiatarati das as discussed on this link ;

From the article on the above Link, we read the following responses from Jitarati Prabhu allegations raised against Yasodanandana Prabhu  ;

Jitarati’s response:

“If they got an approval” ? These are the words of a demon, with no faith in Srila Prabhupada. They want to deny the approval, which they actually do below.

Yasoda you quoted this undeniable confirmation of Prabhupada: “in a letter dated September 7, 1976, “Concerning the editing of Jayadvaita Prabhu, whatever he does is approved by me. I have confidence in him.”

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By Isana dasa

Those who are thoroughly honest can only mean those who are actually seeking to know the truth, and are not reading for some other purpose. Those who appreciate the necessity.  Just like when there is fire in the house, those who live there, even if they cannot speak the language of the neighbor, but they need some help to put out the fire, they will make themselves understood.  Language will not be a barrier.  In the same way, one who actually wants to make a solution to the problem of repeated birth and death, such a person will not protest the message of solution on the basis of imperfect language, but will accept with gratitude.  Srila Prabhupada therefore says that presentation in so-called perfect language is not required, but that apparently imperfect linguistic presentation will be appreciated by those who are after the truth, the real solution.  Those who are changing the books disagree (surely they have read these passages), and they want to make the books acceptable by those who are not of this honest category, acceptable by those who read with some ulterior motive.  That the book changers want the books to be accepted by those who will read with ulterior motive means that the changers also have ulterior motive of gaining acceptance of dishonest rascals more than they wish to  satisfy of the orders of the acharya.  And this is their dishonesty in claiming that they are doing it in service.  Therefore both the book changers, and those who they are changing the books for, are simply the thoroughly dishonest collection of the cheaters and the cheated. 

April 10 1974 Bombay Prabhupāda: Anna-vastra, anna-vastra-dhana. Charity means to give in charity anna and vastra and cows. [break] …give in charity some paper, one hundred rupees. (laughs) Another cheating. And he is also satisfied, “One hundred rupees.” What is this one hundred? It is a paper, a piece of paper. [break] …earned, black market, white market. Because when one does business, he has to do it, but it should be purified. I have seen the Marwaris, they do that. Although when earning money, they don’t care, they do anything, but they give in charity. [break] …purify the body by taking bath, similarly, the wealth is purified by the charity process, giving it to the brāhmaṇas and Vaiṣṇavas. Just like Rūpa Gosvāmī. He accumulated much wealth. He brought in a big boat, all gold coins. So… So he distributed fifty percent to the brāhmaṇa and Vaiṣṇava and twenty-five percent he gave to the relatives, and twenty-five percent he kept for his personal emergency. This is example shown by Rūpa Gosvāmī. [break] Kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyam vaiśya-karma svabhāva-jam [Bg. 18.44]. So where is that vaiśya, giving protection to the cows? Although they were village men, they were very rich. That is the old Vedic civilization. Now you go to the village—all poor. The cows are skinny, people have no home, no nice cloth. This is the position. And we are still advanced, advanced. They are proud of “advanced.” And here is the… Just hear the description of the village, with cows only. So how much fallen we have become, we can just imagine.

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Vidura Mahatma Das wrote:

Dear respected prabhus.

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Regarding the reprint of SB that has come under discussion again recently, I would like to make one point.

Jitarati said:

Jitarati: First of all the translation for Sadhu is not a mistake. I have explained that all before so will not repeat it again here. It is exactly the same in the 76, 72 and Delhi version. The real point here is that you seem to completely misunderstand what book is being read and therefore have come to a wrong conclusion. The version that was being read on June 22/77 was not the 76 version but the 72 version.

Vidura M D: Even with the 1972 edition being read during that conversation, and even with the change “of the sages” being present in the 1972 edition and fixed in the 1976 edition, this does not change the fact that the point and main issue being raised in the Rascal Editors conversation became that changes were being made to newer printed editions of books, which is why Srila Prabhupada ordered in that conversation that the next printing should be again to the original way. This order by Srila Prabhupada was not necessarily based on the initial mistake found in the 1972 edition “of the sages”. To assume this is logically incorrect. Srila Prabhupada’s order at the end of that conversation cannot be nullified on the grounds that the initial mistake brought up belonged to the 1972 edition. This is precisely what I believe Jitarati prabhu is trying to do but it is a mistake. We must look at the flow of context of that conversation leading up to Srila Prabhupada’s order, and that context is of newer edition reprints of books after the 1972 edition.

I am also submitting an article that I wrote on July 7, 2018 when this same debate came up with Purujit. Please find article attached herein.

Wishing you both a happy Krishna conscious new year,

Your servant,

Vidura Mahatma dasa