Hare Krsna-Below we have several quotes about the benefit of devotee association and what happens if we do NOT have it.
Prabhupada also explains how associating with him thru his books, and who never sees him physically– is just as good.
He also explains how we never compromise-but at the same time we do not make enemies-that is called tactics
He also likes the Lords prayer given by the Christians regarding the Holy Name
damaghosa das
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June 11 1974 Paris
Paramahaṁsa: My question is: A pure devotee, when he comments Bhagavad-gītā, someone who never sees him physically, but he just comes in contact with his commentary, explanation, is this the same thing?
Prabhupāda: Yes. You can associate with Kṛṣṇa by reading Bhagavad-gītā. And these saintly persons, they have given their explanations, comments. So where is the difficulty? Everyone is helping you.
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: You’ve said that the Bhagavad-gītā is Kṛṣṇa’s mind.
Prabhupāda: Bhagavad-gītā is Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is not different from His mind. Why do you say like that? This is material conception, the soul is different from body, the mind is different from soul. But Kṛṣṇa has no such difference. Therefore He’s called absolute. Advaya-jñāna. His mind and Kṛṣṇa are the same. Kṛṣṇa and His name is the same. Kṛṣṇa and His words are the same. This is Kṛṣṇa understanding. Jesus Christ simply said that “Hallowed be Thy name.” That means there is name. Now the question is why he did not say or utter the name? Now, there is already name. Why should he utter?
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: Right.
Prabhupāda: There is already name, Kṛṣṇa. So why should he utter?
Paramahaṁsa: Is that why Christ didn’t utter the name of Kṛṣṇa?
Prabhupāda: No, he said, “Hallowed be Thy name. Hallowed be Thy name.” So there is name already. That means he gave you chance to find out the name. And as he came to India, so you come to India and you’ll get the name.
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: He was helping to lay the foundation for saṅkīrtana movement.
Prabhupāda: Yes. “Hallowed be Thy name.” Yes. This is a chance for others to think, “Hallowed be Thy name.” The name is glorified. “So where the name is glorified? Find out.”
Bhagavān: I think we can turn around, this way.
Devotee: Let’s go up by the river.
Bhagavān: Well, we have to go all the way round the lake to get to the car again.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Nitāi: Did you want to know where that was, “Hallowed be Thy name.”?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Nitāi: Were you asking where that was from?
Prabhupāda: No, you said. Somebody said it is, Christ said…
Nitāi: That’s in what they call the Lord’s Prayer, which was given by Christ himself. All the Catholics say that daily.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Nitāi: The Catholics repeat that prayer daily.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Nitāi: The Lord’s Prayer.
Prabhupāda: What is that prayer?
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: One devotee, he asked to Christ, “How should I pray?”
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: He said, “Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, for Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory for ever and ever.”
Prabhupāda: Very nice prayer. Very nice prayer. (pause)
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: This is vandanam. Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Nitāi: Śrīla Prabhupāda, is there some gradual development in all those nine processes of devotional service, beginning from hearing?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Ādau śraddhā tataḥ sādhu-saṅgaḥ [Cc. Madhya 23.14-15]. This chanting and hearing should be in the association of devotees. First of all, one must have faith that chanting is good. Then he should chant in the society of the devotees. Then it will develop. He can chant anywhere. But if he chants along… Therefore saṅkīrtana. Bahubhir milita. Many devotees, chanting together, that is called saṅkīrtana. So one, our movement is saṅkīrtana movement, many devotees together would chant the holy name of God. Then it is very quickly successful. Just like a person who comes to our center in the association of the devotees, after few weeks, he also becomes devotee. Quickly. And there are many others, they are seeing that there is a group like this, but because they do not come, they do not understand. Therefore the quick development process is to execute devotional service in the association of devotees, sādhu-saṅga [Cc. Madhya 22.83].
sādhu-saṅga, sādhu-saṅga—sarva-śāstre kaya lava-mātra sādhu-saṅge sarva-siddhi haya [Cc. Madhya 22.54]
Caitanya Mahāprabhu says that sādhu-saṅga, association of devotees, is very, very important. Even for a moment, if there is association, he immediately comes to the path of perfection. (pause) So if you actually remain a sādhu, devotee, then anyone who will come with your association, he’ll be perfect by association. Means, this process of perfection will begin immediately.
Paramahaṁsa: Our position in preaching should be to encourage people in all respects to associate with us.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Paramahaṁsa: That means sometimes we might have to compromise in certain ways.
Prabhupāda: Why compromise? You don’t compromise. Then you associate with him. If you make compromise, then you associate with him. Then gradually you’ll also go down. When we, when we see some person, we do not associate with him, but we give him chance to associate with me. Why you should make compromise? What is the reason? If you know something positively, why should you make compromise? When people come to talk with me, see me, I don’t make any compromise. Do I make any compromise?
Devotees: No.
Prabhupāda: Then why shall we make compromise? That gentleman, Mr. Herbert, Gene Herbert, he said that “It has taken eighteen years to write these books.” I said, “Still, there are so many mistakes.” Immediately I said. And he could not say anything. Do you remember that?
Devotees: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Immediately I said, “Yes, you have labored eighteen years. Still, there are so many mistakes.”
Nitāi: Anyone else would have said, “Oh! Very nice.”
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Eh? I did not say.
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: He said that morning “What can we do, Prabhupāda?” He said, “What can we do? If we do not compromise, we will make enemies.”
Prabhupāda: No, you’ll not compromise; at the same time, you’ll not make enemies. That is tactics. If you make enemies, then what is your tactics? You must speak the truth; at the same time he’ll not be displeased. That is tactics. If you can defeat him by your argument, then he’ll not be displeased. After all, everyone is human being. If you can find out his defect, why he shall be enemy? Therefore, it is said, “You better make a reasonable man an enemy, but don’t make a friend fool.” You don’t make friendship with a fool, but if a man is intelligent, better make him an enemy. Because, because he’s intelligent, although he’s an enemy, he’ll not do any harm. Because intelligent. But a fool, he may pose himself as friend, and he can do anything which is very harmful.
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