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April 22 1974 Hyderabad conversations/mock debate with Srila Prabhupada

“That is the point. If you love God, then why you disobey His order?”

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Prabhupāda: …principles? What we should inform to the people in general?

Pañcadraviḍa: I try to remember that Lord Caitanya, He informed that the purpose of all Vedic literatures is to acquaint people with their relationship which they have forgotten with God, to teach them how to engage themself in that relationship and to understand that the goal is to come to pure love of God…..

Prabhupāda: No, they will say that “We have not forgotten God. We go to church regularly.” And the Mohammedans will say that “We go to mosque. So why we have forgotten God?”

Pañcadraviḍa: Going to church or mosque… When we are speaking to the people, we don’t discourage that they change their religion or anything.

Prabhupāda: No. You, your charge is that they have forgotten God. They will answer that “We have not forgotten God. We are going to church, we are going to our mosque. Why we have forgotten God?”

Pañcadraviḍa: Because they are not serving Him… [break] …relationship. They are not actively serving Him. They are engaging themselves… We see practically that some people say they are theists…

Prabhupāda: Then what is the meaning of service?

Pañcadraviḍa: Service means a relationship of serving out of love. So people are simply serving their stomach or…

Prabhupāda: “So if I haven’t got love, then why I am coming to church?“

Satsvarūpa: Well, we’re educating them what is God. They go to church, but they don’t know. “What is your idea of God?” We ask them.

Prabhupāda: “Whatever it may be, when I offer my prayers, I remember there is some God. I may not have clear idea. I have got my own conception of God.” So what is the answer?

Satsvarūpa: Well, there are symptoms if you… We don’t discourage, as Pañcadraviḍa Mahārāja says, but if you are following God, the best religion is that which develops love of God.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is answered. “If I haven’t got love for God, then why I am coming to church?”

Pañcadraviḍa: If you have love for God, why you are coming to church?

Prabhupāda: No. “Because I have got love for God, therefore I am coming to church. At that time I could have earned some money.“

Pañcadraviḍa: But we’re also teaching that this love, love is not just based on sentimentality. Love is also practical. Just like in this world, when there is relationship between man and woman, there is a practical exchange of love. It is not simply that love is only based on words. Also one is based on actions. We can judge how much a man is developing love by what his activities are.

Prabhupāda: “So what you have found in me that you have concluded that I have no love for God. What you have seen in me?”

Pañcadraviḍa: I have not concluded that… When I speak with a person, I do not say, “I have concluded that you have no love of God.”

Prabhupāda: “You say. That you have charged, but on what account you say like that? What I have done?”

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Aug 5 1976 French farm-New Mayapura

Bhūgarbha: He doesn’t think he’ll be able to follow the life of the Vaiṣṇavas, because our life is too difficult.

Prabhupāda: That attitude will help him. That humbleness, that “I cannot follow,” that will help.

Bhūgarbha: He says he has a tendency more of a jñānī, and his training has been according to Śaṅkarite and also Buddhist lines. But still he appreciates very much bhakti, and he is very happy to meet the devotees, and at the same time he’s very depressed to meet all these intellectuals who know so many things but cannot understand anything.

Prabhupāda: Without becoming jñānī, nobody can become bhakta. Without knowledge, if one has become bhakta, he’s sentimentalist. It is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, find out this verse. Samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu mad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām [Bg. 18.54]. brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu mad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām

(French translation read) So without becoming fully in knowledge, nobody can become devotee.

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Below we have the definitive statements by Srila Prabhupada as to WHO if the real guru.

Some will accept and understand this and many will never get it

The bona fide spiritual master must be able to see Krsna and talk with Him-face to face. This is not some figurative idea but the actual reality.

Srila Prabhupada….”Yes. A spiritual master must have seen Kṛṣṇa.Without seeing, he cannot be spiritual master.But how Kṛṣṇa can be seen? Kṛṣṇa can be seen by love. Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena [Bs. 5.38]. Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti. Just like if you are in love with somebody, you can see him constantly—he is always on your eyes, anyone you love—so similarly, Kṛṣṇa also can be seen by development of love. Otherwise how we can see Kṛṣṇa? He is so great, unlimited. Your eyes, your senses, are all limited. You cannot see the unlimited by your limited sense perception. But you can see… Not you can see, but svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ.When you are developed in the sense of love of Godhead, then He reveals unto you. Therefore you can see. “

Srila prabhupada’s Lecture : Bhagavad-gita 4.34-39 — Los Angeles, January 12, 1969

Srila Prabhupada…”So this adhokṣajam, Kṛṣṇa, we have to worship. Adhokṣaja. So we cannot see if it is beyond our sense perception. How we can worship Him?Therefore you have to take shelter of the spiritual master who has seen Him.“Srila Prabhupada’s Lecture : Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.2.25 — Los Angeles, August 28, 1972

Srila Prabhupada…”When the devotee sees the Supreme Personality of Godhead by his meditation, orwhen he sees the Lord personally, face to face, he becomes aware of everything within this universe.Indeed, nothing is unknown to him.Everything within this material world is fully manifested to a devotee who has seen the Supreme Personality of Godhead.”

The Demigods and Demons Declare a Truce : SB 8.6.9 : Srila Prabhupada’s PURPORT :

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July 14 1976 interview with reporter-guru must see God face to face-not figuratively

Interviewer: But in the same way that Kṛṣṇa says He’ll provide for your needs you still must work to achieve whatever Kṛṣṇa is giving you.

Prabhupāda: Yes. You work for Kṛṣṇa. You have to work to get your necessities.

Interviewer: In the same way I’m curious with respect to the way Kṛṣṇa communicates with you, whether it’s in a similar kind of way that He gives you your necessities.

Bali-mardana: In other words, when you decide that someone is to be in charge of a particular temple does Kṛṣṇa tell you that this person should be in charge.

Interviewer: Or do you by judging him say this person is qualified.

Prabhupāda:Yes, because a devotee always consults Kṛṣṇa and He gives order.

Interviewer:It’s a more direct communication.

Prabhupāda:Yes. And He gives order.

Rāmeśvara:Because intelligence, our philosophy is that intelligence comes from Kṛṣṇa. So if I have some…

Interviewer: And your philosophy is that your daily necessities come from Kṛṣṇa as well.

Rāmeśvara:Yes, try to understand. Suppose my intelligence sees that this person is qualified, that means Kṛṣṇa has told me.

Prabhupāda:No, not necessarily, Kṛṣṇa will tell directly. A devotee always consults Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa tells him, “Do like this.” Not figuratively.

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Below we have the definitive statements by Srila Prabhupada as to WHO if the real guru.

Some will accept and understand this and many will never get it

The bona fide spiritual master must be able to see Krsna and talk with Him-face to face. This is not some figurative idea but the actual reality.

Srila Prabhupada….”Yes. A spiritual master must have seen Kṛṣṇa.Without seeing, he cannot be spiritual master.But how Kṛṣṇa can be seen? Kṛṣṇa can be seen by love. Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena [Bs. 5.38]. Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti. Just like if you are in love with somebody, you can see him constantly—he is always on your eyes, anyone you love—so similarly, Kṛṣṇa also can be seen by development of love. Otherwise how we can see Kṛṣṇa? He is so great, unlimited. Your eyes, your senses, are all limited. You cannot see the unlimited by your limited sense perception. But you can see… Not you can see, but svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ.When you are developed in the sense of love of Godhead, then He reveals unto you. Therefore you can see. “

Srila prabhupada’s Lecture : Bhagavad-gita 4.34-39 — Los Angeles, January 12, 1969

The Demigods and Demons Declare a Truce : SB 8.6.9 : Srila Prabhupada’s PURPORT :

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July 14 1976 interview with reporter-guru must see God face to face-not figuratively

Interviewer: But in the same way that Kṛṣṇa says He’ll provide for your needs you still must work to achieve whatever Kṛṣṇa is giving you.

Prabhupāda: Yes. You work for Kṛṣṇa. You have to work to get your necessities.

Interviewer: In the same way I’m curious with respect to the way Kṛṣṇa communicates with you, whether it’s in a similar kind of way that He gives you your necessities.

Bali-mardana: In other words, when you decide that someone is to be in charge of a particular temple does Kṛṣṇa tell you that this person should be in charge.

Interviewer: Or do you by judging him say this person is qualified.

Prabhupāda:Yes, because a devotee always consults Kṛṣṇa and He gives order.

Interviewer:It’s a more direct communication.

Prabhupāda:Yes. And He gives order.

Rāmeśvara:Because intelligence, our philosophy is that intelligence comes from Kṛṣṇa. So if I have some…

Interviewer: And your philosophy is that your daily necessities come from Kṛṣṇa as well.

Rāmeśvara:Yes, try to understand. Suppose my intelligence sees that this person is qualified, that means Kṛṣṇa has told me.

Prabhupāda:No, not necessarily, Kṛṣṇa will tell directly. A devotee always consults Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa tells him, “Do like this.” Not figuratively.

Interviewer:Does that apply then to other kinds of decisions and other kinds of activities as well?

Prabhupāda:Everything. Because a devotee does not do anything without consulting Kṛṣṇa.

Bali-mardana: But that applies to a very greatly elevated soul, that is not an ordinary person.

Prabhupāda:That is,therefore the minor devotees, they consultthe spiritual master. That is our process. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ **.

Rāmeśvara:I see, I was trying to explain the minor devotees.

Interviewer: No, I was talking about…

Rāmeśvara: You’re talking about the topmost level.

Interviewer: Yes.

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Photo showing Srila Prabhupada himself reading

first edition Srimad Bhagavatam (READ ONLY WHAT SRILA PRABHUPADA READS )

Compiled by Yasoda nandana dasa

“WE MUST READ WHAT SRILA PRABHUPADA READS. ABOVE IMAGE SHOWS SRILA PRABHUPADA READING THE 1972 SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM FIRST CANTO. NO MORE ARGUMENTS AFTER SEEING THE SPIRITUAL MASTER HIMSELF TAKING PLEASURE IN READING THE FIRST EDITIONS.”

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EXPOSING THE BOOK CHANGES: EXTENSIVE LIST OF 50,000+

MAJOR CHANGES IN SRILA PRABHUPADA’S ORIGINAL BOOKS

Compiled by yasoda nandana dasa

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What is the value of a Guru if he can’t deliver you from Death? by kapindramaharaj

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compiled by yasoda nandana dasa

1. The 10 volume set edition is not an original first edition publication. It has over 21000 changes from the first original editions especially in the first four cantos of Srimad Bhgavatam.

2. Srila Prabhupada. When he heard in the Rascal Editor conversation on June 22. 1977. That his books were being revised in his manifested presence, was not pleased and wanted all of these changes stopped.

3 . Then he clearly stated that “the next printing again should be the original way. “

4. Further in the same conversation Srila Prabhupada stated “they cannot change anything,”

Thus implies that the editors. Publishers. Gbcs. Bbt trustees cannot and should not change anything and should revert back any of the unauthorized changes made during Srila Prabhupada’s presence back to the original editions.

Minor mistakes in sanskrit word translations can be corrected

5. These mandates by Srila Prabhupada imply that he rescinded his alleged approval of the corrections made by the editor in September of 1976.

6. Original way means first editions with appropriate future indexes. Glossaries. List of verses. Sanskrit charts.

7. Srila Prabhupāda’s instructions in June of 1977 superseded any previous instructions given in Z2976.

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Hare Krsna-below we shall find some errors in Jitaratis research and thinking as shown in what he has written. over what constitutes the “original books” or not And also what should be printed.
And this short analyses does not even get into the justification over Jayadvaits then and continual “editing” practices

damaghosa das

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From Jitarati to Yashodanandana:

Dear Yashodanandana Prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Below is your quote from an article you wrote in August 2018. Your request for proof of authorisation for changes in the 76 SB prompted me to go take a closer look at this article.

I am writing only to you and I am not copying anyone nor will I ever copy anyone as I have discovered that the mistake you have made here is quite embarrassing for you. I am hoping that you will be honest enough to admit your mistake.

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“That is the point. If you love God, then why you disobey His order?”-SP

.Without becoming jñānī, nobody can become bhakta. Without knowledge, if one has become bhakta, he’s sentimentalist.–SP

Without seeing (Krsna) he cannot be spiritual master-SP

Four definitive statements by SP as to who is the real guru-He must see God-Krsna

Photo showing Srila Prabhupada himself reading first edition Srimad Bhagavatam (READ ONLY WHAT SRILA PRABHUPADA READS )

Disastrous change found in 10 volume SB (4.24.74) — rascal editors changed the translation of BG 7.19 in the purport (Proof that 10 vol SB not even fully pre 1978)

EXPOSING THE BOOK CHANGES: EXTENSIVE LIST OF 50,000+ MAJOR CHANGES IN SRILA PRABHUPADA’S ORIGINAL BOOKS

What is the value of a Guru if he can’t deliver you from Death?

Summary of issues with Jitaratis’ red 10 volume Srimad-Bhagavatam

the ongoing debate over which is the real “original books”